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N.Y./ Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Update

There are a lot of new links almost no new information yet.

The Village Voice has an inspiring quote from Shannan Gilbert’s mom:

The latest bodies were found Monday — three, to be exact — following one last Tuesday and four in late 2010. Gilbert has not been found, but her mother remains hopeful. “”If it wasn’t for my daughter, these bodies never would have been found,” she said. “Everyone has their destiny, maybe this was hers. I’m still hoping she comes home.”

That quote can also be found in a very in-depth article in the New York Times.

The WNYC News Blog spoke with Dr. Louis Schlesinger about the case trying to get some insight into the killer.

Police continued to scour a barrier island near Oak Beach, Long Island, just 45 miles east of New York City this week following the grisly discovery of eight bodies — four of whom were prostitutes. Details of the slayings are sparse, but experts painted a vivid picture of the mind likely behind the slayings based on the past behavior of cold-blooded killers.

Dr. Louis Schlesinger, a professor of forensic psychology at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said this case had the hallmarks of sexually motivated crime.

“When someone is killing this way, the power and control is sexually stimulating,” Schlesinger said.

Serial killers are often romanticized in Hollywood as suave, intelligent types, but that is often not the case, Schlesinger said.

“Most are blue collar guys who are unemployed,” he said. “When they’re apprehended they’re disappointingly below average in every aspect.”

Most serial killers tend to be “normal”-seeming guys, according to Harold Schechter, a professor of Literature at Queens College who has written extensively about serial killers, both non-fiction and fiction.

“Perpetrators are often guys leading pretty conventional normal lives, with wives and children and normal jobs,” Schechter said.

Murders of prostitutes date back to Victorian times when perps were called “harlot killers,” he added.

Bruce Barket, former Nassau County assistant district attorney and criminal defense attorney, said there is another common thread among serial killers.

“One thing you can say about serial killers: they don’t stop because they convert,” he said. “They don’t find Jesus and stop. They stop because they’re caught or they die.”

Very true Mr. Barket.

Back to the NY Times article. The article goes through the history of the case to date.

It confirms that none of the 8 bodies found so far is Ms. Gilbert.

Investigators determined on Tuesday that none of the eight victims was Ms. Gilbert, the 24-year-old prostitute from Jersey City whose disappearance sparked the initial search near Ocean Parkway and Gilgo Beach.

The article mentions that police are seeming to spread out the search area.

On Tuesday, investigators focused their attention not only on the brush and grassy dunes where the bodies were found, but also on Oak Beach, a residential area a couple miles away. In the morning, a busload of investigators entered the gated community, known as the Oak Island Beach Association. Investigators have returned numerous times to the gated community since last year: It is where Ms. Gilbert was last seen.

Since they have moved part of the investigation into a residential area I’d guess that they are following leads or following up from other clues.

Another thing I find interesting is that the police are not just lumping all the bodies together. They have made statements that could lead one to wonder if they have a reason to think there 2 more than 2 killers.

The bodies of the four prostitutes discovered in December were deposited aboveground and spread over a quarter-mile. Each one had been placed roughly 500 feet from the next, and each one lay about 50 feet from the north side of Ocean Parkway. Investigators said that although they were placed there at different times, the four women were all in their 20s and that they had all advertised for clients on Craigslist.

Dominick Varrone, chief of detectives in the Suffolk County police, said that it was too early to ascertain much from the new remains; he noted that three of the four newly discovered bodies “were of a considerable distance from the original four.”

He said that the police still believe that the first four victims were “the work of a serial killer,” but that it was too soon to determine if any of the latest victims were connected to the earlier murders.

He also added that it seemed that the four latest victims had been left there at least as long as the earlier victims, who had been reported missing between July 2007 and September 2010.

There has been no more information about the bodies, no more official discussion about a connection to the Atlantic City NJ bodies. I do want to note that it does not seem that there are NJ officers assisting in NY. I guess there could be but I have not seen any in uniform nor have I seen any official reports about it.

The search for Shannan Gilbert continues as does the search for more clues. Hopefully there will not be anymore bodies.

Possible Victims of Serial Killer Rises to 8

Three additional sets of human remains have been discovered on the same New York beach where a serial killer is believed to have dumped the bodies of five other women.

Suffolk County police announced the discovery of the bodies today, raising the number of victims to at least eight.

Searchers used fire truck bucket ladders for an aerial view as others walked Oak Beach and Gilgo Beach in Long Island. They’ve waded through tall tick-infested vegetation since last week searching for more bodies and clues.

Cadaver dogs have had difficulty maneuvering through the thick brush, Dominich Varrone, Suffolk County’s chief of detectives, said at a news conference today.

“They don’t like getting smacked in the face with the bramble,” he said.

As many as 20 officers have already been treated for poison ivy during the searches.

Police first discovered four skeletal remains in December when searching for Shannan Gilbert. None of the remains have matched Gilbert. A fifth body was discovered last week, but that was determined to not to be the body of Gilbert either.

“We still believe that Shannan Gilbert is in this area,” Varrone said.

Police said the search would be continued Tuesday over a broader area.

If none of the three newly discovered remains are identified as Gilbert, it will leave the possibility that a ninth body remains to be found.

The victims who were previously identified were all prostitutes who had advertised on the internet site Craigslist.

The bodies are believed to the work of a serial killer. Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer told ABC News in December, “Four bodies found in the same location pretty much speaks for itself. It’s more than a coincidence. We could have a serial killer.”

Investigators had made little progess in the hunt for the serial killer, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

Detectives have conducted interviews with associates, neighbors, friends and relatives of the identified victims, sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News.

ABC News’ Russell Goldman and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

The entire article and a video here.

It will be interesting to see how for back the bodies go.

There is not enough information to even speculate about any connection to any of the other unsolved killing.

The named victims so far

Another Body Found on N.Y. Beach

Police have found another set of remains in the area of Gilgo Beach. They were looking for Shannan Gilbert when they came across the latest set of remains.

New York (CNN) — Police say they have discovered more human remains on a Long Island, New York, beach near where the corpses of four women were discovered last year.

The remains of a fifth body were located west of Cedar Beach, Long Island, approximately one mile from where the other corpses were discovered in December, according to Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer.

“There may be clues available now with this body that will help the homicide investigation and will help it move forward,” Dormer said.

An investigation will be conducted to identify the remains.

Meanwhile, police say, the hunt for a potential serial killer continues, as does the search for Shannan Gilbert, 24, whose disappearance resulted in the finding of the other bodies within a quarter-mile of each other.

The four bodies have since been identified as Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of Norwich, Connecticut; Melissa Barthelemy, 24, of Erie County, New York; Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of North Babylon, New York; and Megan Waterman, 22, of Scarborough, Maine.

All four women found dead advertised for prostitution services on the website Craigslist, police said. The bodies were found in various stages of decomposition, and at least one could have been there for as long as two years, Dormer said.

CNN Story

Some still believe that this killer is the same one from Atlantic City, NJ.

Another set of remains may be the 5th body found in the Gilgo Beach serial murder investigation in New York. The case has eerie similarities to four bodies found in Atlantic City behind the Golden Key Motel.

Examiner Story

I do not have enough information to really have an opinion, but, since this is my blog I can guess. I do not think (guess) it is the ame killer based on the little information that I can find.

Asbury Park Press Story

Investigators have questioned a man who lives on Long Island, N.Y., who appears to have been Gilbert’s last client. WCBS-AM said he was also given a lie detector test.

Police began an intensive search of the area this week to take advantage of the lack of vegetation and people during the winter, WCBS said.

U.P.I Article

It is unclear exactly how the police were able to so quickly determine who the body wasn’t, but relatives of Gilbert are guessing it was the jaw (Gilbert had previously injured hers). “I am just scared that it’s going to turn into a cold case, and we’re never going to find her,” Gilbert’s sister told Newsday

Gothamist Article

Dissed by Rifkin

I found an online article today that states that Joel Rifkin is not impressed by the fiendish handiwork of a murderer who dumped the bodies of four women near Oak Beach.

Headlines of Rifkin

Joel Rifkin Headlines

Joel must be loving the attention. I am sure that he is thrilled that someone is showing an interest in him again.

Joel Rifkin on Nightline

With the air of a veteran schooling an amateur, Rifkin said the sicko being hunted by cops and the FBI should never have left all the corpses in one place.

“I dumped them hundreds of miles apart,” Rifkin proudly told the Daily News Wednesday in a 70-minute interview at the upstate prison where he will spend the rest of his life.

He proudly talked about disposing of his victims?

Rifkin killed 17 prostitutes in a four-year spree – and took pains to dispose of the bodies.

His victims were scattered in rivers and wooded areas from the east end of Long Island to upstate. Three were never found.

In Oak Beach, four decomposing bodies were found within a quarter-mile area just off a remote highway – and cops believe one killer is responsible.

Rifkin suggested the killer was sloppy for picking a single dumping ground because it alerted cops to the likelihood of a serial killer and brought more heat to the case.

Rifkin, who once lived in East Meadow, L.I., said he was always more frightened about dumping his bodies than strangling or dismembering his victims.

“I was surprised I didn’t get caught sooner,” said Rifkin, who was busted in 1993 with his final victim’s body in the back of his mother’s pickup truck.

He said his arrest was the result of “a 25-cent mistake” – a missing license plate.

He was worried only about being caught. The actual act of killing did not worry him, it was the disposal, the most ‘public’ part that worried him. He still considers the mistake to be getting caught, not the killing.

He gives a ‘profile’ of the suspect to the Daily News.

Rifkin, 51, said cops looking for the Oak Beach killer should probably focus on white men, aged 18 to 45, but acknowledged the magnitude of that challenge.

Then he admits to how ‘helpful’ he is.

“That’s like half the country,” he said.

He does go on to give insight not only about the recent serial killer but about himself.

He speculated that the suspect would have shared some of his experiences: growing up lonely in the suburbs, being mocked and bullied, grappling with anger.

Joel claims that he regrets what he did, but I don’t believe that at all. He regrets getting caught and that is all.

He said prostitutes are obvious targets for serial slayers.

“No family,” he explained, occasionally breaking into laughter as he discussed his bloody history. “They can be gone six or eight months, and no one is looking.”

The two missing women in the Suffolk County probe advertised their services on craigslist, which didn’t exist when Rifkin was hunting for victims.

Hookers made for easy targets because they were often on their backs, making it easy to overpower them, Rifkin recounted as cartoons played on the visiting room TV.

He said he paid the prostitutes as much for their temporary friendship as for sex – and never just to kill them.

“I became addicted to sex and companionship,” said Rifkin, a long, gray ponytail hanging down his back.

There was no sentimentality as he described what he did to the women after they were beaten and strangled. “You carve ’em like a turkey,” he said.

He said the slayings were a “primal urge” that he justified by reminding himself the women were drug-addicted hookers with no self-respect.

Rifkin says he regrets his rampage, but he sounded bizarrely nostalgic as he spoke about how much easier it was to kill his in his day.

He said technology like GPS in cell phones has given police a tremendous advantage in tracking victims.

Law enforcement is a lot more sophisticated now than it was when he was picking up prostitutes in Manhattan and spreading their remains across nine counties.

“They pull up the Jane Does and compare notes,” he said.

He sounds very remorseful, doesn’t he?

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