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Another Body Found on N.Y. Beach

Police have found another set of remains in the area of Gilgo Beach. They were looking for Shannan Gilbert when they came across the latest set of remains.

New York (CNN) — Police say they have discovered more human remains on a Long Island, New York, beach near where the corpses of four women were discovered last year.

The remains of a fifth body were located west of Cedar Beach, Long Island, approximately one mile from where the other corpses were discovered in December, according to Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer.

“There may be clues available now with this body that will help the homicide investigation and will help it move forward,” Dormer said.

An investigation will be conducted to identify the remains.

Meanwhile, police say, the hunt for a potential serial killer continues, as does the search for Shannan Gilbert, 24, whose disappearance resulted in the finding of the other bodies within a quarter-mile of each other.

The four bodies have since been identified as Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, of Norwich, Connecticut; Melissa Barthelemy, 24, of Erie County, New York; Amber Lynn Costello, 27, of North Babylon, New York; and Megan Waterman, 22, of Scarborough, Maine.

All four women found dead advertised for prostitution services on the website Craigslist, police said. The bodies were found in various stages of decomposition, and at least one could have been there for as long as two years, Dormer said.

CNN Story

Some still believe that this killer is the same one from Atlantic City, NJ.

Another set of remains may be the 5th body found in the Gilgo Beach serial murder investigation in New York. The case has eerie similarities to four bodies found in Atlantic City behind the Golden Key Motel.

Examiner Story

I do not have enough information to really have an opinion, but, since this is my blog I can guess. I do not think (guess) it is the ame killer based on the little information that I can find.

Asbury Park Press Story

Investigators have questioned a man who lives on Long Island, N.Y., who appears to have been Gilbert’s last client. WCBS-AM said he was also given a lie detector test.

Police began an intensive search of the area this week to take advantage of the lack of vegetation and people during the winter, WCBS said.

U.P.I Article

It is unclear exactly how the police were able to so quickly determine who the body wasn’t, but relatives of Gilbert are guessing it was the jaw (Gilbert had previously injured hers). “I am just scared that it’s going to turn into a cold case, and we’re never going to find her,” Gilbert’s sister told Newsday

Gothamist Article

Gilgo Beach Serial Killer

The authorities are not releasing many details about these murders.

Gilgo Beach Victims

Megan, Maureen, Melissa & Amber

I have been to a few forums in the hopes that someone local to the area has heard something but there really was nothing solid there.

What I do know is that the four young woman above were found dead at Gilgo Beach, Long Island, New York in mid-December 2009.

Maureen Brainard-Barnes -25 years old – last seen July 9, 2007

Melissa Barthelemy -24 years old -last seen July 12, 2009

Megan Waterman -22 years old – last seen June 8, 2010

Amber Lynn Costello -27 years old – last seen September 2, 2010

Authorities have not released how the women were killed, whether they were dressed or had any personal items (jewelry or the such) on them, toxicology findings or many other things that would help to either connect to or disconnect from the Atlantic City Serial Killings of ’06. The few details that have come out are:

  • The victims were killed at another location and then ‘dumped’ where they were later found.
  • They were wrapped in burlap sacs. At first it was reported that only 2 were in these sacs but in the latest articles all 4 were wrapped up.
  • They were “methodically dumped” (placed)  within 1/4 mile of each other. Although the news keeps using the word “dump site” and reporting “from a car” authorities said “methodically dumped.” This implies that they know a car was used since the area remote and there must not have been signs that the murders happened there. Also, remote but not really hidden away since a car could come by again showing the murders happened elsewhere. They were not just thrown from a car though. The killer placed them at this dump site. He also revisited this site, at least 3 times, and probably (at least) drove by even more.
  • All causes of death appear similar. They have not released the actual cause but have said all seemed to have been killed in similar ways. Due to the severe decomposition they might not be 100% sure of the cause but they can be pretty sure. Small bones broken may show strangulation, punctures and holes in bones my show stabbing, broken bones and skull damage can show blunt force trauma. The last victim killed / first identified might have been ‘intact’ enough to show a probable cause of death allowing investigators to know where to look and what to look for on the other victims.
  • All of the young women were prostitutes that used advertising on Craigslist. Actually this is the only known (released) connection between these women. They do not appear to have lived near each other or to have run in the same circle of associates. There have been reports, though, that police have connected them to a few (3) regular contacts / customers. This does not mean that any of those men killed them but it might help to give a clearer picture of the victims.
  • 3 of the 4 were under 5 ft tall and 100 lbs. The largest was not much bigger. The killer seemed to like ‘smaller’ women.

Megan Waterman was 5-feet-5 and 150 pounds.

Amber Lynn Costello was 4-feet-10 and weighed 100 pounds.

Lynn Barthelemy was 4-feet-11 and weighed 95 pounds.

Maureen Brainard-Barnes was 4-feet-11 and 105 pounds.

  • There were calls made from Melissa Barthelemy’s phone to her family. The male voice said cruel things about Melissa and called her a “whore”. – Authorities have not said that this was the killer but the calls were made days after she was last seen and stopped and there was no other activity from her phone . I have not heard of any other such calls to any of the other families or friends of these women.

There has not been much more besides speculation.

I am still bouncing back and forth as to whether I think that this is the same killer that struck Atlantic City, NJ in 2006. There are so many things that seem not to ‘fit’ but then I read something and I go back to the killer being the same. Just there being 4 bodies in similar terrains does not make a connection.

I hope that all of these families and loved ones can find peace.

I’ll write more on my thoughts and feelings about the cases later.

 

ABC News Report

Nightline Report

AP News Report

WIVB News Report

NY Daily News Report

48 Hours Coverage

WBEN News

In Memory of Megan Waterman

Maureen Brainard-Barnes

Amber Lynn Costello

If you have any information leading to the arrest of the person(s) responsible, please call the Scarborough Police Department at 207-883-6361, or their anonymous tip line at 207-730-4200, ext 3093, or the Suffolk County Police Department at 631-854-8400

Jerry Brudos Documentary

I am still trying to make up my mind about the NY / NJ cases.  Brudos might be relevant. I do think the NJ killer had either a foot or shoe fetish and I am not seeing that in the NY cases. Again, information is scarce but as of yet it has not been mentioned. If I find out all those girls were barefoot or are missing their feet I will be more prone to connect the cases.

I am still looking at timelines and trying to find out what happened to the NJ girl,  Shannan Gilbert, that was screaming and running in the area. She was the one they were initially looking for and she was not found at this scene. She seems to have just vanished.

By the way, I am not saying that the NJ killer was just like Jerry. I am just looking at fetish killers to see how well the pieces fit.

I will be making a full post on the New York killings soon.

One or two? Not enough information yet.

Barbara Breidor, Kim Raffo, Molly Dilts, Tracy Roberts

I have a habit of getting little obsessions and since this is my blog I am going to indulge myself here. I am sorry if I ramble and also sorry for how long this will be. Maybe it will end up as a few separate posts. *

For the last few days and nights I have been reading whatever I can find on the 4 murdered women found in New York 12/15/10 and the 4 dead women found in New Jersey 11/20/06. I have been trying to figure out if in my opinion there is one or two serial killers to blame. I keep bouncing back and forth due to lack of information in both cases.

I have went back and found as many article as I could on the New Jersey case but even with many years passing the police have released little. What I have been able to find out is:

  • All four women were facing the same direction, east, looking towards the boardwalk and the casinos. Although it was called a dump site the women had been placed there not simply thrown there like trash. I suppose the speculation about the killer carrying and placing the victims in a way that led to the all facing east could be valid but I don’t think that was the case. I think that they were placed there and their heads were turned to face the casinos on purpose. It brought to my mind Edmund Kemper who placed one of his victim’s in the yard facing his mom’s window. I do wonder if the killer wanted these women to look over at him as he did his work on the boardwalk.
  • All four were barefoot, no socks and no shoes. Although I saw reports of people talking about the prostitutes in that area running around without shoes this was late November in NJ. I think it would have been too cold for this to have been the case. It could have been a way for the killer to slow down any escape attempt but I tend to lean with those that think the killer had either a foot or a shoe fetish.
  • Two were strangled with either a cord or a rope. The other two were too decomposed to give a definite cause of death but I am willing to  guess that all were killed in the same manner.
  • All the woman were addicted to drugs or alcohol before they were killed. They were found to have very high amounts of the drug of their choice in their systems. I find this interesting since it implies that the killer could have given the women those large amounts as a way to entice them and or sedate them. It is not often that ‘working girls’ can afford very large amounts of their drug and in this case all 4 were able to obtain large enough amounts that it was notable by the police and the press. It also makes me wonder if he knew them or if he at least spent enough time with them to know their vices.
  • The women were all dumped (placed) within about a month and 1/2 of each other. They seemed to have been killed and discarded in a short time. The dump site was found was found within 24 hours of the last victim being put there.

Molly Dilts last seen 10/07/06

Barbara Breidor last seen 10/17/06

Tracy Roberts last seen mid November (07-15) 06

Kim Raffo last seen 11/19/06

Bodies discovered 11/20/06

  • The women were discovered in shallow running water, probably an attempt to wash away any evidence. It seems to have worked.

Once the bodies were found the killer seemed to have stopped killing.

Maybe it was that the bodies were found. It scared him. Made him stop for a while and he had to get his satisfaction just reading reports and following the investigation through the press. If he was like many other killers he knew a cop or a reporter or maybe someone that was in that area that would have been there when the police were there. He got his thrills that way, vicariously. It was enough to quell his want. That would only last for so long.

Then other things popped up and he did just stop killing. He might have, I know it is a popular idea that serial killers can not just stop but that is not entirely true. Just like the rest of us, serial killers have lives and sometimes their lives ‘interfere’ (for lack of a better word) with things like killing. Maybe he got a new job, had a new baby, got married, had a death in th family or any other ‘normal’ thing. The things that would normally take our time away from the internet, shopping, bar hopping, socializing; take a serial killer away from his fantasies, his ‘hunting’ and his killing.

All of that is possible. It is also possible that he did stop because his dumping and hunting grounds were discovered. Maybe he did stop the killing and enjoyed his ‘fame’ and the fact that the cops had no clue. He probably still stalked & hunted but because the police were so close he new that he he could not act on his desires. He also learned from his mistakes. He evolved and in doing so found a new way to hunt and a new place to dispose of his victims.

Hence the reason I still wonder if the two ‘dumping’ grounds are connected to the same killer.

There are many differences, some very important, that have me sitting on the fence. I can not say that he did start stalking on Craigslist so that his victims were not locals. I can not say that he did choose another place to place his victims.

I do not think that he just died or was arrested the day after the bodies were found.

I actually think that the ‘dumping grounds’ show that is very well could be 2 killers.

There were a few suspects in the New Jersey case but none were firm. Terry Oleson was the most ‘popular’ suspect. He was charged with video taping his ex’s daughter. I just do not think it was him. He might have been a slime ball but I do not think he was capable of these murders. Whatever else he did, on the limited information that I have I doubt he had anything to do with these killings.

I will go into the New York Victims soon. Then compare contrast and maybe then I can give an honest opinion without boncing back and forth.

This is over 1,000 words now and other things call so I will have to do that later.

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