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Police Commissioner and D.A. Argue Over How Many Killers
Spota Discounts Lone Long Island Serial Killer Theory
Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota told county legislators at a hearing that he disagrees with Police Commissioner Richard Dormer’s latest theory that a single serial killer left the remains along several miles of highway between Long Island’s Jones and Gilgo beaches.
Spota said he was “shocked and surprised” when he received a telephone call from a reporter several weeks ago asking about Dormer’s change of heart.
“I had no idea what that reporter was talking about,” Spota said, adding that Dormer has yet to discuss the revised theory with him personally.
“I would never even discuss this publicly, except I think that the facts that have been disclosed so far do not bear out the single killer theory at all,” said Spota, who had previously declined to comment through a spokesman.
The district attorney and Dormer were in agreement in May when they appeared at a joint press conference to say that authorities believed multiple killers were likely responsible for the deaths of eight women, a man and a toddler.
The remains were found in the thick underbrush along the beach highway between December 2010 and April. Investigators later determined that some remains found near the parkway were linked by DNA to remains of homicide victims found more than 40 miles away as far back as 1996.
Dormer said in interview with The Associated Press earlier this month in advance of the anniversary of the Dec. 11 discovery of the first body that he had revised his theory. He now believes one killer is likely responsible.
Dormer discounted that some of the victims had been dismembered while some had not, arguing that serial killers often evolve and change their tactics. He pointed to the likelihood that all the victims were linked to the sex trade as another indicator that one killer was likely responsible.
On Thursday, Spota countered that because five of the 10 victims have yet to be identified, the police commissioner is not able to confirm that all had a link to the sex trade.
The toddler who was found is believed to the child of one of the unidentified dead prostitutes, Dormer has said. The male victim was found wearing women’s clothing, which Dormer said indicates he may have been a prostitute. Spota countered that men can be cross-dressers without being prostitutes.
The district attorney said not only does he disagree with Dormer’s view, but contended that many of the homicide detectives investigating the case do not share the commissioner’s opinion. Dormer has conceded that others, including some in his department, may not agree with him and has left open the possibility that he could change the theory if additional information is received.
Dormer, who is leaving office at the end of this month, had testified before the legislature’s public safety committee prior to Spota’s appearance Thursday morning but left before the district attorney’s testimony. A spokeswoman said later that Dormer had no comment on what Spota said.
The district attorney said he felt he had been blindsided by Dormer’s revised theory. He said his chief assistant assigned to the case didn’t even know about it.
“I have to tell you that in our office, the DA’s office and the homicide squad work hand in hand,” Spota said. “The moment that any police are called to a crime scene and they determine it to be a homicide, the prosecutor is called out immediately. They’re right there. And that’s the way we’ve always worked.
“And for me to have to call a prosecutor to answer a question from somebody in the media, that we now have a different theory, it’s disturbing. It really truly is disturbing.”
The legislative hearing of the criminal justice committee took place days after police found another set of remains that they believe are the corpse of Shannan Gilbert, the prostitute whose disappearance spurred the search.
An officer and his cadaver dog were searching along Ocean Parkway last December when they happened upon the first skeletal remains. Two days later, three more bodies were found. By April, the body count had risen to 10. Police have not identified any suspects.
Investigators have said they think Gilbert’s death is probably unrelated to the other deaths. She vanished into a wetland after fleeing a client’s home in a panic, for a reason that is still unclear.
Dormer said the skeletal remains discovered this week were in a location that suggested that Gilbert became exhausted and drowned while trying to force her way through the marshy thicket to a nearby road. He said unlike the other remains, which were dumped from the nearby roadway, there would have been no way for someone to leave Gilbert’s remains where they were found because of the daunting thicket and underbrush.
Not sure what I think. The dismemberment of some while wrapping others in burlap bags does seem like a jump in ritual but it is not impossible for a serial killer to do that.
That also makes me wonder if the NJ victims are not once again possibly linked into these bodies.
It is so hard to make a firm opinion considering the lack of so much information and so many details.
Shannan Gilbert’s Body Found
OAK BEACH, N.Y. – A set of skeletal remains was found Tuesday in the oceanfront Long Island marsh where police believe Shannan Gilbert got lost and drowned in the middle of the night in May 2010.
Her disappearance led to a search that uncovered the bodies of 10 people, most of them sex workers, thought to be the victims of a single serial killer.
The remains were found on the sixth day that police have been searching the isolated area for the missing prostitute.
Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said the remains were discovered about one-fourth of a mile from where several of Gilbert’s belongings were located last week, a landscape thick with mud, brambles and tangled underbrush where police believe Gilbert drowned after fleeing a client’s house and running into the dark night.
He said the location of her belongings and the remains indicate she may have been trying to run toward the lights of a nearby roadway, but couldn’t navigate her way out of the marsh.
“It would be very easy to get exhausted and fall down and not be able to move any further,” Dormer said.
Dormer said police believe the remains are Gilbert’s, but will require forensic confirmation.
“It’s certainly a sad day for the Gilbert family,” Dormer said.
Authorities had combed the area before, but resumed the search last week with amphibious vehicles better capable of trolling the rough terrain, where police officers have occasionally become stuck in waist-deep quicksand-like mud.
Police have also said that much of the marshy area was previously underwater, but those levels have receded enough to allow them to make these discoveries.
My heart goes to the family.
I hope that law enforcement does not stop investigating the other 10 victims because she was found.
Possible Advancement in the Search for Gilbert
Police investigating the disappearance of a woman along an isolated stretch of Long Island beachfront said Wednesday they had found her jeans, shoes and cell phone and believed she may have drowned in a marshy area when she went missing in 2010.
Armed with dredging machinery and canine units, police for the second day scoured the area where Shannan Gilbert was last seen in May 2010.
Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said the waters in the marsh had receded far below the lake-like terrain that officers had encountered in previous searches, allowing them to discover the latest items.
He said a purse they found on Tuesday contains some type of photo ID, but said the items inside the bag must be meticulously dried, and said authorities have not yet been able to examine the ID.
Police also believe Gilbert’s body will soon be found, and that the missing prostitute may have drowned, instead of being killed.
“We believe that Shannan Gilbert ran into that area the night she disappeared,” Dormer said. “It’s very easy to get engulfed with water and muck and fall down and not be able to get out of there. So we surmise that that’s what happened to Shannan and she’s in there someplace, and we’re going to do everything we can to find her.”
Police Inspector Stuart Cameron said officers performing the search have been navigating quicksand-like terrain, abruptly dropping to their “waist or deeper,” unable to get out without help.
The 24-year-old woman vanished after fleeing a client’s home in the gated seashore community several miles from Jones Beach State Park.
The Suffolk County Police Department said at a press conference Tuesday afternoon no human remains were found. But a law enforcement source tells NBC New York that remains were indeed uncovered in Tuesday’s search.
Police were looking for Gilbert last December when they began finding human remains in the underbrush along Ocean Parkway. Some 10 sets of human remains were eventually recovered in the area, but not Gilbert’s.
Officials at first suspected several serial killers, but have recently said one person is responsible for all 10 deaths. No suspects have been named.
Police conducted a separate search near Gilgo Beach Monday, but said they did not uncover any new evidence related to Gilbert’s disappearance or the 10 sets of remains.
Long Island Serial Killer Hunt: Police Release Sketches of Victims
Police released sketches of two unidentified victims dumped on a Long Island beach by at least one serial killer, including a man dressed as a woman and a woman who may have worked as a prostitute.
The skeletal remains of a female toddler found this past April were linked by DNA to the skeletal remains of a woman found seven miles away, police said.
“It is likely that these two individuals were mother and child,” Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said today.
In addition to the sketches, Dormer released pictures of jewelry and other personal details about the five unidentified sets of remains found along on a stretch of beach off of Ocean County Parkway in Long Island, N.Y.
“We are hopeful that the release of this additional information will aid our investigation in helping identify the unknown victims and their killer or killers,” Dormer said at a press conference.
Do You Know the Long Island Serial Killers Victims?
Since December of last year, New York investigators have found 10 sets of human remains in Suffolk and Nassau County. Five of those remains have been identified as prostitutes, and the rest remain a mystery.
One of the sketches released was of a slightly built male victim who police said was wearing female clothing at the time of his death. Police said the Asian man was between 17 and 23 years old and approximately 5- feet-6. The man was missing both his top and bottom molars and one of his top front teeth, police said.
The death could have occurred between five and 10 years ago, police said.
The toddler is non-Caucasian and was wearing hoop earrings and a rope necklace, Dormer said. She was between 16 and 32 months old. The child’s adult relative had two bracelets on when she was murdered, one bracelet with Xs and Os with stones resembling diamonds and a snake chain, police said.
The two could have disappeared between one and five years ago, police said.
Sketch of Jane Doe 6/Suffolk County Police
Another victim identified as Jane Doe 6 was described as having been between the ages of 18 and 35 and approximately 5-feet-2. Her head, hands and right foot were recovered on April 4. Dormer said that DNA taken from those remains were linked to a torso found in Manorville, N.Y., in November 2000. A sketch showed a Caucasian woman with hair to her shoulders.
“To narrow the focus this woman would have been last seen alive in the late summer or fall in 2000…Consider that this woman may have been working as a prostitute in New York City during that time…This woman may have had a tattoo or other identifiable characteristic on her right ankle,” Dormer said.
A forensic artist is working on a third sketch of a woman whose legs were found in April. DNA from her remains has been linked to remains discovered on Fire Island in Nassau County, N.Y., in 1996.
Suffolk County police, who are being assisted by Nassau County cops as well as state police and the FBI, have been tight-lipped about the investigation. Law enforcement sources told ABC News that all of the victims appear to have been slain elsewhere, dismembered and transported to the beaches for disposal.
Four of the identified bodies were found wrapped in burlap in December 2010 and were prostitutes. They have been identified as Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman and Amber Lynn Costello. All of the women advertised their services on Craigslist.
The most recent set of remains to be identified belonged to prostitute Jessica Taylor. In April, authorities recovered Taylor’s skull and hands. The rest of her body had been found 30 miles away in Manorville, N.Y., in 2003, the same area where Jane Doe 6’s torso was found.
Dormer made an appeal for help from New York City’s escorts.
“We also want to reach out to the people in the escort business to come forward with information. We are not interested in their occupation and feel that their information will be very valuable to this investigation,” Dormer said.
The Suffolk Police have not identified any suspects in the killing and will not say how many killers they believe may have used the beach as a dumping ground.
In December of last year, police first began scouring the pristine Gilgo Beach in the search for missing prostitute Shannan Gilbert. Her remains have not been recovered and the investigation into her disappearance is ongoing, police said.
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The page has quite a few photos and videos.
The possible connection to the Atlantic City Killer seems to have died out although with 10 bodies and at least 2 killers in NY who knows what will develop.
A few updates
Michael Wayne McGray has been charged in connection with the death of Jeremy Michael Phillips.
On the morning of Nov. 23, 2010, Phillips, 33, was found dead in the prison cell he shared with McGray–who had been previously convicted of six murders and recently moved from maximum-security Kent Institution to medium-security Mountain Institution.
Phillips had been serving a six-year, nine-month sentence for an aggravated assault that took place after a failed drug deal.
McGray has been moved to a new federal prison and is no longer in British Columbia.
I just hope this time they have him in a cell by himself!! I also hope that they have put him into a maximum security prison.
The trial of Anthony Sowell is beginning. Jury selection has started.
About 200 prospective jurors are being divided into groups of 15 and brought to the courtroom for orientation. Individuals in each group are then being interviewed privately about their views on the death penalty, according to court officials.
Anthony Sowell, 51, a former Marine, stood at military attention to face jurors as they entered. He was dressed in a white golf shirt and wore a goatee. He has been charged with the murder of 11 women in an 85-count indictment.
If Sowell is found guilty, the jury must then decide whether to sentence him to death. The decision must be unanimous.
Sowell was arrested on October 29, 2009, two days after the initial discovery of bodies in and around his home. The decomposing bodies were found by police who were responding to a report by a woman who said she had been attacked in the home.
If Sowell is not found guilty I hope we make the jurors share custody of him..
Here is a page with video clips regarding the Sowell trial.
In New York police are searching the beaches of Long Island again.
Police in New York say they will resume a search for bodies in the ongoing investigation into a possible serial killer on Long Island.
State police say recent FBI aerial photography is prompting a return to the area on Tuesday. State police did not specifically say if the photos, taken in April, yielded additional evidence.
I am going to take a guess and say that the photos showed them something. Maybe not more bodies but something had to be seen if they are going back out there.
Possibly more victims in New York case
BY ALICIA CRUZ
NEWJERSEYNEWSROOM.COM
The murders of two prostitutes are being investigated as possible link to several bodies of other prostitutes found between Jones, Oak and Gilgo beaches since December 2010.
According to the New York Post, police have revisited the case of 39-year-old East New York resident, Tanya Rush whose dismembered remains were found stuffed in a suitcase. Rush’s remains were found June 27, 2008 along the Southern State Parkway in Bellmore on June 27, 2008. She was the mother of three.
The New York Post source would not disclose any details about the second victim. Suffolk investigators believe at least two killers have dumped the eight bodies found within the past few months.
The investigation into the suspected serial killer, who dumped his victims near Jones Beach State Park in Nassau County, New York and Ocean Parkway, and Gilgo and Oak Beaches in Suffolk County, concluded more than a week ago with police finding no additional human remains, Newsday reported.
Initially, police were searching for Jersey City resident Shannan Gilbert who vanished after arranging to meet a client from Craigslist on Fire Island when they stumbled upon the first four bodies. Gilbert, missing since May 1, 2010, still has not been found. She was last seen begging for help at the home of an Oak Beach resident, but disappeared after the man called 911.
In all, ten bodies have been found over the past five months. Six additional remains were found within the past two months. It remains unclear if the same person killed all of the victims.
I think that the baby and the male victim were 2 separate killings unconnected to the other victims.
As to the 6 females found the two that had been dismembered and scattered they might have been killed by a different killer than the other 4. I would need more details and a better timeline than the one I have drawn out for myself to give an opinion that mattered.
The full article links these bodies to the Atlantic City murders but I doubt they are connected.
New York Serial Killer Base Profile
Victims: Top (L to R): Molly Jean Dilts, Shannan Gilbert and Tracy Ann Roberts; Middle (Lto R): Melissa Barthelemy, Barbara Breidor and Kim Raffo; Bottom (L to R):Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello
Criminologists have begun to piece together a profile of the serial killer responsible for the murder of up to 13 prostitutes in Long Island and Atlantic city.
According to experts, the man poilce are looking for is a white male in his mid 20’s to mid 40’s, financially secure, well spoken and drives a nice car or truck.
Able to charm his Craigslist victims into a false sense of security, he will also have access to burlap sacks as part of his job and will have been treated for poison ivy infections received as he disposed of the bodies in thick undergrowth.
The New York Times came up with the chilling portrait after talking to retired and current criminal profilers familiar with the ‘Craigslist ripper’ case.
Speaking to the paper, Scott Bonn, an assistant professor of sociology at Drew University in Madison, N.J. said: ‘This is someone who can walk into a room and seem like your average Joe.
Who Is The Craigslist Ripper
Profilers have described the man as:
- He is most likely a white male in his mid-20s to mid-40s
- He is married or has a girlfriend. He is well educated and well spoken.
- He is financially secure, has a job and owns an expensive car or truck.
- He may have sought treatment at a hospital for poison ivy infection.
- As part of his job or interests, he has access to, or a stockpile of, burlap sacks.
‘He has to be persuasive enough and rational enough that he is able to convince these women to meet him on these terms.
He has demonstrated social skills. He may even be charming.’
He is also, according to the experts, very familiar with the Long Island beaches where 10 remains have so far been found.
Jim Clemente, a retired FBI investigator in the agency’s behavioural analysis unit, added: ‘He did not stumble upon that location. He has some familiarity with it.’
The ‘Craigslist ripper’ case started in December after the disappearance of 24-year-old Shannan Gilbert, a New Jersey prostitute who advertised on the site.
Although her body has not been found, the remains of 10 others have so far been uncovered with Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Amber Lynn Costello, 27, and Megan Waterman, 22, the only identified victims so far.
Detectives have also investigated the possibility that the same serial killer may also be responsible for the deaths of four prostitutes in Atlantic city in 2006.
On Long Island, police returned for another day to the area subjected to land, water and air searches by the FBI and New York authorities from Suffolk and Nassau Counties.
Their most recent discovery earlier this month was two sets of human remains, including a skull.
Nassau Detective Vincent Garcia said police hacked through brush with machetes and chainsaws and used shovels to dig through sand to look for clues.
‘When we found the skull, we were hoping if we went back in we’d find a little bit more,’ Garcia said.
Nassau officer James Imperiale said police found two human teeth about a foot from the skull. It appears the teeth are related to the skull but authorities will run tests to confirm that, he said.
Imperiale said police also found a shoe but were unsure if it was relevant to their search.
‘We’re not sure if it has anything to do with the investigation but we did take it away as well,’ he said.
Sources indicated to the paper that the killer may have a heavily ritualistic element to the way he carries out the murders.
As the first four prostitutes discovered all disappeared in July or September, Mr Clemente said: ‘There may be a seasonal nature to his connection to the area, or to his fantasy and ritual.
‘It may be the time his wife or kids or parents are away for the summer. There are many possibilities.’
The use of increasingly rare burlap sacks also provides another clue as to his modus operandi.
As burlap is no longer a commonly used material, it is more easily traced than plastic.
Mr Clemente added: ‘To me, it takes away from his forensic sophistication and criminal sophistication and adds to the possibility that he is more interested in this ritual aspect.’
The experts also focused on the sadistic element of his crimes, particularly the fact he repeatedly used one of the victim’s mobile phones to call and taunt her teenage sister.
Mr. Clemente said: ‘That gives me an idea that he is a sadist.
‘That would be reflected in his relationship and jobs.
He is the one who laughs when a cat gets run over or a kid falls off his bike. He likes the suffering of others, and he really likes it when he can cause it or witness it.’
NEW YORK, April 22 (UPI) — The killer who dumped women’s bodies on a Long Island beach east of New York City appears to be organized and methodical, profilers tell The New York Times. The newspaper interviewed several criminologists, including a former FBI profiler. Based on the information now public about the case, they said the killer is probably a white male with an age somewhere between mid 20s and mid 40s, intelligent, with some education and a job, who may live or have lived in the area near his burial ground. “This is someone who can walk into a room and seem like your average Joe,” said Scott Bonn, a sociologist at Drew University in Madison, N.J., who has researched serial killers. “He has to be persuasive enough and rational enough that he is able to convince these women to meet him on these terms. He has demonstrated social skills. He may even be charming.” So far, police have found 10 bodies on a stretch of beach off Ocean Parkway in Suffolk County but have identified only four. They all disappeared in the summer between 2007 and 2010 after advertising sexual services on Craigslist. Jim Clemente, who retired in 2009 as a supervisor in the FBI’s behavioral analysis unit, said the killer did not just stumble on his dumping ground. “He must have some familiarity with it,” he said. Behavioral analysis or profiling is not yet the exact science depicted on TV shows such as “Criminal Minds.” Thus the profile may not help police pick the killer out of the thousands of men who live in or visit that part of Long Island.
NY Serial Killer Theories
Theories abound in mysterious NY beach bodies caseWANTAGH, N.Y. (AP) — Is there a serial killer on the loose in Long Island? More than one? Could he be a police officer or an ex-cop? Are some of the victims rubbed-out mobsters sleeping near the fishes? Or could they be the long-undiscovered victims of New York’s most prolific serial killer of them all, Joel Rifkin?
With police saying next to nothing about the discovery of 10 sets of human remains dumped off a highway near Jones Beach, amateurs and experts alike are offering a multiplicity of theories — some outlandish, some entirely plausible.
Many of the theories have been compiled on the Web site LongIslandserialkiller.com or offered up in the daily papers.
“It’s mostly fodder for laughter by the investigators,” said attorney Bruce Barket, a former prosecutor in the Nassau County district attorney’s office. “Because the investigators know much more than they have revealed publicly, they’re sitting there chuckling at this theory and that theory. Because it really is irrelevant to what they are doing.”
The biggest tabloid sensation to hit Long Island since Amy Fisher shot Joey Buttafuoco’s wife in the ’90s began to unfold in December. That’s when a police officer and his cadaver dog happened upon the first set of remains while searching for a 24-year-old New Jersey prostitute last seen in the area a year ago.
Two days later, police found three more bodies; all four were women in their 20s who booked clients for sex on the Internet. Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said at a news conference that a serial killer could be at work.
The New York Daily News quickly dispatched a reporter to an upstate prison to interview Rifkin on his “expert” thoughts since he admitted killing 17 prostitutes in a murder spree in the late 1980s and ’90s. Four of his victims have never been found. The New York Post immediately hung the moniker “The Ripper” on the killer.
Dormer tried to calm the chatter, telling reporters days later: “I don’t want anyone to think we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife. This is an anomaly.”
Months passed with few updates on the case — until the snow melted in late March. Police found one, then three more, then two more sets of remains not far from where the first four were discovered. None of the recent six have been identified or linked to the deaths of the four women found in December.
The New York Times cited experts as speculating the culprit may have a law enforcement background because he has managed to elude capture for so long. The experts noted that relatives of one victim had gotten brief, taunting phone calls from the possible killer — perhaps an indication that he knew how to avoid having the calls traced. Police tracked the calls to busy Penn Station and the Port Authority bus terminal in Manhattan — crowded areas that made it hard to hear the caller — before the signal went dead, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.
Other reports suggested that some investigators believe some of the newly found remains, which police would describe only as having been there for “some time,” may have been Rifkin’s work. He denied that in a Newsday prison interview this week.
Franny Louis, a Carle Place, N.Y., resident, said she agreed with Rifkin when he told Newsday that the killer could be someone nearby. “Someone who works along the shoreline and may have access to burlap bags and things of that nature,” she said.
Police have not commented on various reports that the first four women were found in burlap, while the most recent remains were not. They have also left open the possibility that more than one killer could be dumping bodies.
Xavier Molina of Lake Grove, N.Y., wasn’t buying that theory: “It’s really hard to find two serial killers out there dumping bodies in the same spot.”
One blogger on the site The Stir theorized the killer could be a real-life Dexter, the TV character who works as a blood-splatter analyst for the Miami Metro Police Department and in his free time kills people he believes have eluded justice.
“There are a few differences, of course,” according to a recent blog. “Dexter only kills those who deserve it. And in this case no one would ever argue that the women targeted by the Long Island Serial Killer deserved to be killed.”
Carina Atteritano of Oceanside, N.Y., said she suspects someone in law enforcement could be involved, since the killer hasn’t been caught.
“I definitely have friends who are up late at night because they are concerned about it. We joke about it that it could be somebody in our town, but it really could be and that’s scary,” she said. “Nobody really knows.”
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Associated Press Colleen Long contributed to this report.
I do not think that the bodies found are victims of Rifkin. If nothing else he is too critical of this killer. Serial killers have big egos and there is no way he would call his own work sloppy.
I also do not think that there are 2 serial killers dumping bodies within this short of a distance of each other. It is possible but I doubt it is happening here.
The 4 identified victims were asphyxiated (strangled most likely) but the cause of death of the other 6 has not been released.
I doubt that these victims are linked to the New Jersey victims Then again there is so little information there is nothing to really base an opinion on. I guess since the police have not been linking them I will have to say I do think that it is 2 different killers.
I did find an article that also reports that there are 2 different killers.
Police said on Wednesday that the bodies of four prostitutes found around Atlantic City, New Jersey back in 2006 do not seem to have anything to do with the eight bodies (and maybe ninth and tenth sets of remains) found on Long Island, near Gilgo and Jones Beach, since late 2010. Thought to be the work of a serial killer, four of the latest bodies have been identified as belonging to women who worked as prostitutes on Craigslist and were all found near Ocean Parkway in Suffolk County. The other bodies and remains have yet to be identified, and may not even be connected to the first four.
But on Wednesday, the Suffolk County police commissioner, Richard Dormer, said there seemed, at this time, to be no connection with the bodies found in Atlantic City. Mr. Dormer said there were “items connected with the two cases” that indicated the same killer was not involved, but he declined to elaborate. There have been no links established between the four bodies discovered in Suffolk in December and the four sets of remains found more recently, which have not yet been identified. Increasing differences are emerging that set the two groups apart, officials have said.
Evidence that may separate the two sets of bodies includes the burlap sacks, which held the first four bodies, but not the rest, and the fact that some remains are thought to belong to a child, which complicates the question of motive. The F.B.I. is now assisting on the case as searches of the area continue.
I just hope that with all of the publicity and the speculation the murdered women, the dead girls, daughters, mothers and sisters do not get forgotten.
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