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NY Serial Killer Theories

Theories abound in mysterious NY beach bodies case

WANTAGH, N.Y. (AP) — Is there a serial killer on the loose in Long Island? More than one? Could he be a police officer or an ex-cop? Are some of the victims rubbed-out mobsters sleeping near the fishes? Or could they be the long-undiscovered victims of New York’s most prolific serial killer of them all, Joel Rifkin?

With police saying next to nothing about the discovery of 10 sets of human remains dumped off a highway near Jones Beach, amateurs and experts alike are offering a multiplicity of theories — some outlandish, some entirely plausible.

Many of the theories have been compiled on the Web site LongIslandserialkiller.com or offered up in the daily papers.

“It’s mostly fodder for laughter by the investigators,” said attorney Bruce Barket, a former prosecutor in the Nassau County district attorney’s office. “Because the investigators know much more than they have revealed publicly, they’re sitting there chuckling at this theory and that theory. Because it really is irrelevant to what they are doing.”

The biggest tabloid sensation to hit Long Island since Amy Fisher shot Joey Buttafuoco’s wife in the ’90s began to unfold in December. That’s when a police officer and his cadaver dog happened upon the first set of remains while searching for a 24-year-old New Jersey prostitute last seen in the area a year ago.

Two days later, police found three more bodies; all four were women in their 20s who booked clients for sex on the Internet. Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said at a news conference that a serial killer could be at work.

The New York Daily News quickly dispatched a reporter to an upstate prison to interview Rifkin on his “expert” thoughts since he admitted killing 17 prostitutes in a murder spree in the late 1980s and ’90s. Four of his victims have never been found. The New York Post immediately hung the moniker “The Ripper” on the killer.

Dormer tried to calm the chatter, telling reporters days later: “I don’t want anyone to think we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife. This is an anomaly.”

Months passed with few updates on the case — until the snow melted in late March. Police found one, then three more, then two more sets of remains not far from where the first four were discovered. None of the recent six have been identified or linked to the deaths of the four women found in December.

The New York Times cited experts as speculating the culprit may have a law enforcement background because he has managed to elude capture for so long. The experts noted that relatives of one victim had gotten brief, taunting phone calls from the possible killer — perhaps an indication that he knew how to avoid having the calls traced. Police tracked the calls to busy Penn Station and the Port Authority bus terminal in Manhattan — crowded areas that made it hard to hear the caller — before the signal went dead, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

Other reports suggested that some investigators believe some of the newly found remains, which police would describe only as having been there for “some time,” may have been Rifkin’s work. He denied that in a Newsday prison interview this week.

Franny Louis, a Carle Place, N.Y., resident, said she agreed with Rifkin when he told Newsday that the killer could be someone nearby. “Someone who works along the shoreline and may have access to burlap bags and things of that nature,” she said.

Police have not commented on various reports that the first four women were found in burlap, while the most recent remains were not. They have also left open the possibility that more than one killer could be dumping bodies.

Xavier Molina of Lake Grove, N.Y., wasn’t buying that theory: “It’s really hard to find two serial killers out there dumping bodies in the same spot.”

One blogger on the site The Stir theorized the killer could be a real-life Dexter, the TV character who works as a blood-splatter analyst for the Miami Metro Police Department and in his free time kills people he believes have eluded justice.

“There are a few differences, of course,” according to a recent blog. “Dexter only kills those who deserve it. And in this case no one would ever argue that the women targeted by the Long Island Serial Killer deserved to be killed.”

Carina Atteritano of Oceanside, N.Y., said she suspects someone in law enforcement could be involved, since the killer hasn’t been caught.

“I definitely have friends who are up late at night because they are concerned about it. We joke about it that it could be somebody in our town, but it really could be and that’s scary,” she said. “Nobody really knows.”

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Associated Press Colleen Long contributed to this report.

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I do not think that the bodies found are victims of Rifkin. If nothing else he is too critical of this killer. Serial killers have big egos and there is no way he would call his own work sloppy.

I also do not think that there are 2 serial killers dumping bodies within this short of a distance of each other. It is possible but I doubt it is happening here.

The 4 identified victims were asphyxiated (strangled most likely) but the cause of death of the other 6 has not been released.

I doubt that these victims are linked to the New Jersey victims  Then again there is so little information there is nothing to really base an opinion on. I guess since the police have not been linking them I will have to say I do think that it is 2 different killers.

I did find an article that also reports that there are 2 different killers.

Police said on Wednesday that the bodies of four prostitutes found around Atlantic City, New Jersey back in 2006 do not seem to have anything to do with the eight bodies (and maybe ninth and tenth sets of remains) found on Long Island, near Gilgo and Jones Beach, since late 2010. Thought to be the work of a serial killer, four of the latest bodies have been identified as belonging to women who worked as prostitutes on Craigslist and were all found near Ocean Parkway in Suffolk County. The other bodies and remains have yet to be identified, and may not even be connected to the first four.

But on Wednesday, the Suffolk County police commissioner, Richard Dormer, said there seemed, at this time, to be no connection with the bodies found in Atlantic City. Mr. Dormer said there were “items connected with the two cases” that indicated the same killer was not involved, but he declined to elaborate. There have been no links established between the four bodies discovered in Suffolk in December and the four sets of remains found more recently, which have not yet been identified. Increasing differences are emerging that set the two groups apart, officials have said.

Evidence that may separate the two sets of bodies includes the burlap sacks, which held the first four bodies, but not the rest, and the fact that some remains are thought to belong to a child, which complicates the question of motive. The F.B.I. is now assisting on the case as searches of the area continue.

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I just hope that with all of the publicity and the speculation the murdered women, the dead girls, daughters, mothers and sisters do not get forgotten.

The named victims so far

9th Body Found in New York

INVESTIGATORS found a ninth set of human remains today along a New York beach thought to have been where a serial killer buried victims.

“They are human remains. It’s not a complete body, they are partial human remains,” a source said.

Investigators also said they found a human skull, but it was unclear if it belonged to the ninth victim or was part of another set of remains, according to FOX News Channel.

State Police Captain James Dewar said the remains were discovered about 11.30am (local time) on the north side of Ocean Parkway about 2.4km from Jones Beach, just outside New York City.

Searchers “did locate some bones, and those bones will be transported to the Nassau County Medical Examiner’s office,” Captain Dewar confirmed, without elaborating.

Cops also found remains that were deemed to be animal bones earlier Monday and discovered a third set later in the day that have yet to be identified.

Investigators believe that the Long Island slays were linked to the serial killings of four prostitutes in Atlantic City, New Jersey, in 2006 because of similarities in the cases. “It’s the same guy,” a source said.

Another source said that a suspect had been identified – a contention Suffolk County cops have publicly denied.

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Some are speculating that the killer is either a cop or an ex cop. I do not think so. Serial Killers read books about other serial killers and learn. They also are known to be big fans of cop shows. I think the killer is just someone who has studied.

With the new information coming out it does look like it is the same killer.

Police have yet to link their deaths with the four victims in New Jersey –  Kim Raffo, Molly Jean Dilts, Barbara Breidor and Tracy Ann Roberts. But there are several coincidences.

In each case, the killer dumped four prostitutes near water and in close proximity. The bodies were in various stages of decomposition, suggesting he kept some for a  time after they died.

All eight were sex workers, and the four in New York used Craigslist. Each had been strangled.

He had removed the shoes from both sets of bodies, though the women in New Jersey were clothed. Those in Long Island had been stripped naked and were found without jewellery or belongings, each wrapped in burlap.

‘It’s the same guy,’one law-enforcement source told the Post.

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The article also goes into more information about the calls the killer made to Melissa’s younger sister.

The twisted Craigslist Ripper stalked the teenage sister of one of his victims, taunting her in six telephone calls.

He even revealed to 16-year-old Amanda Barthelemy that her sister Melissa was a prostitute – a secret she had kept from her family.

The sadistic serial killer, who police fear may have stalked and strangled to death at least eight vice girls over the past five years, would only talk to the teen.

Four bodies were dug up in Long island near Gilgo Beach last December, including Barthelemy, an aspiring hairdresser, who disappeared from her Bronx apartment in July, 2009.

The 24-year-old had not told her mother she was advertising her services on Craigslist and had been having sex with clients for more than a year.

According to the New York Post, the killer said to Amanda: ‘Is this Melissa’s little sister?’. ‘Yes,’ replied the girl.

‘Do you know what your sister is doing?  She’s a whore.’ Barthelemy had lied to her mother, Lynn, that she was an exotic dancer. Half a dozen more calls and texts followed in the next six weeks.

The killer always phoned in the evenings, spoke for less than three minutes and in a low voice, calmly mocking the youngster. The family feared he had seen Amanda when she visited her sister’s home and stayed over.

 

Edit, Some are reporting that the 10th set of bones have been identified as human which bring this up to 10 bodies, not 9.

N.Y./ Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Update

There are a lot of new links almost no new information yet.

The Village Voice has an inspiring quote from Shannan Gilbert’s mom:

The latest bodies were found Monday — three, to be exact — following one last Tuesday and four in late 2010. Gilbert has not been found, but her mother remains hopeful. “”If it wasn’t for my daughter, these bodies never would have been found,” she said. “Everyone has their destiny, maybe this was hers. I’m still hoping she comes home.”

That quote can also be found in a very in-depth article in the New York Times.

The WNYC News Blog spoke with Dr. Louis Schlesinger about the case trying to get some insight into the killer.

Police continued to scour a barrier island near Oak Beach, Long Island, just 45 miles east of New York City this week following the grisly discovery of eight bodies — four of whom were prostitutes. Details of the slayings are sparse, but experts painted a vivid picture of the mind likely behind the slayings based on the past behavior of cold-blooded killers.

Dr. Louis Schlesinger, a professor of forensic psychology at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said this case had the hallmarks of sexually motivated crime.

“When someone is killing this way, the power and control is sexually stimulating,” Schlesinger said.

Serial killers are often romanticized in Hollywood as suave, intelligent types, but that is often not the case, Schlesinger said.

“Most are blue collar guys who are unemployed,” he said. “When they’re apprehended they’re disappointingly below average in every aspect.”

Most serial killers tend to be “normal”-seeming guys, according to Harold Schechter, a professor of Literature at Queens College who has written extensively about serial killers, both non-fiction and fiction.

“Perpetrators are often guys leading pretty conventional normal lives, with wives and children and normal jobs,” Schechter said.

Murders of prostitutes date back to Victorian times when perps were called “harlot killers,” he added.

Bruce Barket, former Nassau County assistant district attorney and criminal defense attorney, said there is another common thread among serial killers.

“One thing you can say about serial killers: they don’t stop because they convert,” he said. “They don’t find Jesus and stop. They stop because they’re caught or they die.”

Very true Mr. Barket.

Back to the NY Times article. The article goes through the history of the case to date.

It confirms that none of the 8 bodies found so far is Ms. Gilbert.

Investigators determined on Tuesday that none of the eight victims was Ms. Gilbert, the 24-year-old prostitute from Jersey City whose disappearance sparked the initial search near Ocean Parkway and Gilgo Beach.

The article mentions that police are seeming to spread out the search area.

On Tuesday, investigators focused their attention not only on the brush and grassy dunes where the bodies were found, but also on Oak Beach, a residential area a couple miles away. In the morning, a busload of investigators entered the gated community, known as the Oak Island Beach Association. Investigators have returned numerous times to the gated community since last year: It is where Ms. Gilbert was last seen.

Since they have moved part of the investigation into a residential area I’d guess that they are following leads or following up from other clues.

Another thing I find interesting is that the police are not just lumping all the bodies together. They have made statements that could lead one to wonder if they have a reason to think there 2 more than 2 killers.

The bodies of the four prostitutes discovered in December were deposited aboveground and spread over a quarter-mile. Each one had been placed roughly 500 feet from the next, and each one lay about 50 feet from the north side of Ocean Parkway. Investigators said that although they were placed there at different times, the four women were all in their 20s and that they had all advertised for clients on Craigslist.

Dominick Varrone, chief of detectives in the Suffolk County police, said that it was too early to ascertain much from the new remains; he noted that three of the four newly discovered bodies “were of a considerable distance from the original four.”

He said that the police still believe that the first four victims were “the work of a serial killer,” but that it was too soon to determine if any of the latest victims were connected to the earlier murders.

He also added that it seemed that the four latest victims had been left there at least as long as the earlier victims, who had been reported missing between July 2007 and September 2010.

There has been no more information about the bodies, no more official discussion about a connection to the Atlantic City NJ bodies. I do want to note that it does not seem that there are NJ officers assisting in NY. I guess there could be but I have not seen any in uniform nor have I seen any official reports about it.

The search for Shannan Gilbert continues as does the search for more clues. Hopefully there will not be anymore bodies.

More on the N.Y / N.J (?) Serial Killer?

The FBI has joined the investigation.
I am still waiting for more information. They are still saying that because of the state of decomposition it could be weeks or months before they know the identities of these women.
This of course will make it harder to catch whoever dumped the bodies.
The guy whose home was searched is saying the investigation has ruined his life. I do not know of he has been ruled out as a suspect.

http://abcnews.go.com/assets/player/walt2.6/flash/SFP_Walt_2_65.swf

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Says No Jack the Ripper in NY

A woman last seen running in terror from a Long Island, N.Y., house in May is not one of four bodies dumped along a New York beach over the last two years, a forensic analysis has concluded.

Police speculated that Shannan Gilbert, 24, might be among the victims whose remains were found last week along a road that runs beside Gilgo Beach — a discovery that has prompted fears a serial killer might be on the loose.

“The Suffolk County Medical Examiner’s Office has determined through analysis of forensic evidence that none of the human remains found in Gilgo Beach during the past week are that of Shannan Gilbert,” police said in a prepared statement. “Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad detectives have notified Gilbert’s family. The investigation into the disappearance of Gilbert is still ongoing.”

Earlier, police swarmed around the home where Gilbert last was seen in May and confiscated an SUV from the property.

Despite the search around the home of Joseph Brewer, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said he had no suspects in the deaths of the four women.

The commissioner also tried to downplay fears that a serial murderer was on the loose.

“I don’t want people to think that we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife,” Dormer said. “This is an anomaly.”

This morning, authorities closed a 10-mile stretch of Ocean Parkway near Brewer’s Oak Beach, N.Y., home. At least 20 police cars and 10 cadaver dogs arrived and began combing the area in a search for more bodies.

“We’re going to expand the search throughout that community over the next few days,” Dormer said. “We want to make sure we didn’t miss anything.”

Police are also trying to determine the identities of the skeletal remains, a job that could take weeks or months.

Dormer said identifying the bodies “is of the utmost importance for the investigation.”

Forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner said that the high level of decomposition will make identifying the cause of death difficult.

Two Possible Victims Were Prostitutes Who Met Clients on Craigslist

Police say Gilbert met her clients on Craigslist and Brewer told Newsday that he had hired Gilbert for a “date” and that she was at his house for a party when she became agitated and left.

Brewer told WABC, “The truth will come out, the truth will come out. The police know everything.”

Police won’t say how Brewer’s home, just miles from the crime scene, is connected to the investigation, but on Wednesday night they towed away an SUV from the premises.

Brewer’s neighbors said Gilbert was last seen running for her life from the home.

Guy Coletti lives three miles from where the bodies were found. He remembers seeing a woman he believes was Gilbert on the night of May 1.

“She said ‘Help me’ … and she just looked like she was spaced out,” Coletti said.

Coletti said Gilbert came to his house and claimed someone was after her. Coletti called 911, but before police could respond, he said Gilbert fled, tumbling down his front steps and vanishing into the weeds around his house.

Gilbert’s family said that she made a frantic 911 call herself and even named her alleged attacker. Police won’t comment on whether the call was made.

Is Maine Woman Among 4 Bodies Found?

Police are investigating whether Megan Waterman, a single mother from Maine, may be another of the victims.

“My gut tells me that Megan is no longer with us,” Lorraine Ela, Waterman’s mother, said. “It’s been heartbreaking the past almost six and a half months.”

Waterman’s mother said her daughter worked as a prostitute and was also known to use Craigslist. Megan was last seen on June 6 at a hotel in Hauppauge, N.Y., a town near Gilgo Beach where the bodies were discovered.

“Me and my family have tried talking to Megan about the dangers of advertising on Craigslist. She didn’t listen to us,” Waterman said.

New York Bodies Linked To Atlantic City Case?

Police also told ABC News that they are looking at a possible connection to the 2006 unsolved murders of four prostitutes 160 miles away in the boardwalk area of Atlantic City in 2006. They were found lying in a drainage ditch.

“We have been in contact with authorities in Suffolk County. … It would not be fair for us to comment on their investigation,” Atlantic County Prosecutor Ted Housel said in a statement to ABC News on Wednesday.

“We’re dealing with four women that were disposed of, and it would appear at least one of them has connections to prostitution, so the similarities to me are striking and very eerie,” Leonard said.

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Do New York and New Jersey Share a Serial Killer?

Four dead women were found dumped on a roadside at a New York beach. The police believe all the woman were killed by 1 person. The bodies were discovered as police instigated a missing person case. The bodies were badly decomposed but it is already being said that one of the bodies might be Megan Waterman, 22, who was using the online classified ad site to solicit sex. Craigslist.

This killer may also be connected to 4 bodies that were found in New Jersey in 2006. Those women were found in a drainage ditch behind a strip of seedy motels in Egg Harbor a few miles from Atlantic City. All of the woman were white, shoe less, missing their socks and were (suspected) sex workers. A side note is that it was reported that all of the women were facing east. Due to the varying levels of decay the woman were thought to have been dumped there at different times.
The killer was never caught.

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