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Moors murderer Ian Brady discharged from hospital – Telegraph

Moors murderer Ian Brady discharged from hospital – Telegraph.

 

His victims families do not believe he was even actually sick.

Serial killer Brady was discharged after spending two nights in hospital following a suspected seizure.

The 74-year-old was sent back to high-security Ashworth Hospital in Sefton, Merseyside, where he has been held for 27 years.

But last night Alan Bennett — whose brother Keith was killed by Brady in 1964 — insisted it was a cynical attempt to get sympathy ahead of his mental health tribunal next week.

Alan, of Longsight, Greater Manchester, said: “I want to hear about his medical condition from somebody at the hospital before I take this seriously.

“That coward is capable of anything. The timing is perfect if he is hoping to seek some form of sympathy.

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It is such a shame that they are still having to deal with his games.

Hope in Search For Moor’s Victim’s Body

THE key prosecution witness who put Moors murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley behind bars is close to finally identifying the spot where schoolboy Keith Bennett was buried.

 A file will soon be sent to Greater Manchester Police with a plea to start a new search at a specific location, 47 years after the murder on remote Saddleworth Moor.

David Smith, 63, made many trips to the moor with the serial killers. At the time he was going out with Hindley’s younger sister Maureen, but they had no idea four children were buried near the area where they enjoyed picnics.

Mr Smith is currently studying video images and photos taken by Alan Bennett, Keith’s brother. He is narrowing down the spot where he believes diggers could find the remains of Keith, who was 12 when he vanished in 1964. The boy had been lured to the moors by Hindley and killed by Brady.

The development comes after Mr Smith published a book, Witness, in June. For the first time, he tells the story of his courtship of Maureen Hindley and their marriage.

Mr Smith had no idea that during 1963 and 1964 Brady and Myra had murdered four children and buried them on the moor, near Manchester. He only realised how dangerous they were in October 1965, when psychopath Brady axed 17-year-old Edward Evans to death in front of him in the family home.

Mr Smith went to the police and detectives began to unravel the horrors. After they found the bodies of 10-year-old Lesley Ann Downey and 12-year-old John Kilbride, he became the key prosecution witness in the 1966 trial. Brady, now 73, was found guilty of three murders and Hindley of two. She died in 2002.

In the mid-Eighties the pair finally admitted killing Keith and 16-year-old Pauline Reade, whose remains were found on Saddleworth in 1987. Police abandoned the search for Keith’s body because they needed detailed information on where he had been buried.

Mr Smith agreed to go back to the moor, but says police took him to the wrong area. Mr Bennett said last night: “The pictures we took and sent to David have already stirred memories, including those of an area used for picnics and shooting practice with pistols.

“David told us he had never been approached in such a way before and therefore his memories of that spot have remained dormant. He had never even been taken to that area by the police, despite their belief that Keith is buried in that area, knowing Brady and Hindley had taken David and Maureen there after Keith’s murder.”

Author Carol Ann Lee, who wrote the book with Mr Smith, said: “I am hopeful that the co-operation between Alan and David will at least lead police to the place where Keith lies.

“His poor mother Winnie deserves to be able to fulfil her wish to give him a Christian burial.

“Soon a file will go to the police which will say X marks the approximate spot where Keith was buried and that should persuade them to conduct another search, hopefully the last.”

I hope that this is not just a way for Smith to sell books. Ms. Winnie Johnson has been through so much and she really needs Keith’s body in order to get closure.

Brady has already played with this poor woman’s head and heart.

In the almost half a century since Keith Bennett was killed, his mother, Winnie Johnson, has written to Brady many times asking for his help in recovering her son’s body.

She has renewed her plea this week because she has been diagnosed with inoperable cervical cancer. Now aged 77, she wants to bury her son before she succumbs to the disease.

She has filmed a short DVD in which she reveals to Brady that she has cancer and appeals directly to him to help her find her son’s remains.

“I’m doing it in the hope he will respond,” Mrs Johnson said. “The most important thing is to find Keith before the cancer beats me.

“He knows where Keith is but I think he enjoys having that last bit of power — and if I find Keith he’ll have nothing left.”

Mrs Johnson has sent hundreds of letters to Brady over the years, and doesn’t hold out much hope that he will respond this time.

In 2006, Brady wrote back, saying he had “clarity” over where Keith was buried, and several meetings with a solicitor for Mrs Johnson ensued, but came to nothing.

Moors Murder Victim’s Mum Speaks Up

‘Hanging’s too good for Hindley’: Mother of last Moors Murder victim says she WON’T back return of death penalty

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Last updated at 5:28 PM on 6th August 2011

The mother of the last victim of the Moors murders is refusing to back the return of the death penalty insisting ‘hanging is too quick’ and child murderers must be made to suffer.

Twelve-year-old Keith Bennett is buried on bleak Saddleworth Moor on the border of Yorkshire and Lancashire after being murdered by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley in 1964.

Brady only admitted Keith’s murder – along with Pauline Reade, 16 – while serving a multiple life sentence for killing three other children, but has always refused to reveal the whereabouts of his grave.

Keith Bennett's mother Winnie Johnson on Saddleworth Moor. She said hanging murderers is 'too quick'Keith Bennett’s mother Winnie Johnson on Saddleworth Moor. She said hanging murderers is ‘too quick’

The pair were jailed for life in 1966 after being convicted of the murders of three other children, Edward Evans, Lesley Ann Downey and John Kilbride. Myra Hindley died in jail in 2002.

Last night, Keith’s 77-year-old mother Winnie Johnson said hanging was too quick and child killers must be made to suffer.

It comes as almost 50 years after the death penalty was abolished there is an ever growing online petition calling on Parliament to hang child and police killers.

Ian Brady
Myra Hindley

Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were jailed for life in 1966 after being convicted of the murders of three other children, Edward Evans, Lesley Ann Downey and John Kilbride

The last hanging in Britain took place the year the schoolboy was murdered.

HANGING: A HISTORY

Winnie Johnson said hanging was too quick and child killers must be made to suffer

Until 1868 hangings were performed in public

In London, the traditional site was at Tyburn, but before 1865, executions took place outside Newgate Prison, Old Bailey, now the site of the Central Criminal Court

The death penalty was abolished in 1965 and renewed in 1969

The last woman to be hanged was Ruth Ellis on July 13, 1955, by Albert Pierrepoint who was a prominent hangman at the time

The last hanging in Britain took place in 1964, when Peter Anthony Allen, at Walton Prison in Liverpool, and Gwynne Owen Evans, at Strangeways Prison in Manchester were executed for the murder of John Alan West

But last night Ms Johnson insisted she would not be signing-up to the first controversial issue the man-in-the-street wants debated in Westminster under the Government’s new ‘let-the-people speak’ decree.

She said: ‘Hanging is too quick. Child killers like Brady must be made to suffer, in the way he hurt my Keith and all the other little ones.

‘The rope is too simple a solution for his sort. Serial killers like him need to be left to rot, for years, when hopefully they will reflect on their appalling crimes.

‘People could be forgiven for thinking I would be among the first demanding a return to capital punishment, but that is too soft a sentence for Brady.

‘I really hope that he has suffered over the years and now, maybe in the twilight of his life, he will display a single shred of sympathy by telling me where Keith’s remains are located.

‘The gesture would mean so much, especially as all police searches for Keith’s body have officially ended.

‘If Brady had swung for his crimes against my son and the others, there would have been no chance – however slim it is – of him relenting and putting me out of my misery by pinpointing Keith’s grave.’

The search for Keith's body on Saddleworth Moor has been going on for decades - but Brady has refused to reveal the grave's whereaboutsThe search for Keith’s body on Saddleworth Moor has been going on for decades – but Brady has refused to reveal the grave’s whereabouts.

I can understand her hope of finding her baby’s grave through Brady, I just do not ever see him giving it. Serial killers enjoy the games, the attention and the pain that they produce in the families, the living victims.

I understand her hoping that he has spent years dwelling in the death he caused, but I doubt that he did.

Most serial killers love re-living their crimes, many even return to the murder / burial sites to masturbate. Some bring lovers o these spots for sex because the memories excite them.

I wish that her ideas could be truth but there is no real reason to believe that she can / will / has gotten what she hopes for.

Keith was lured into a car by Brady’s lover Hindley while walking to his grandmother’s house four days after his 12th birthday in June 1964 – two months before Peter Allen, 53, and Wynne Owen Evans became the last murderers to be hanged in the UK.

Brady killed Keith and buried him on the Yorkshire-Lancashire moorland while Hindley kept look-out.

When the e-petition reaches the expected 100,000 signatures, MPs will be forced to debate a return to the gallows.

I can not see any reason to keep serial killers, child killers or pedophiles alive. Medical science, psychiatrists, criminologists, history and more have proven that these offenders can not and will not be “fixed”. They are and always will be threats to society in general, to the weak and to our children in particular.

For these kinds of criminals, the most brutal, repeat, killers and tormentors I support capital punishment.

They add nothing but fear, threats, pain and insecurity to our society, even in prison. Why allow that?

They will never be able to be productive members of society and will always be a threat to anyone that has to come into contact with them (including but not exclusive to guards, doctors, nurses, teaches, visitors, maintenance people, and other prisoners) so why allow this risk to all for the few?

Let me know your opinions and why.

If you want to sign the petition there is a link (a few others as well) below.

An article on the petition.

The Restore Justice Site

The Petition To Restore The Death Penalty In England For Child and Police Killers.

This just seems relevant. A petition to refuse child killers new identities.

If you do not support capital punishment but do support life sentences meaning LIFE this petition is for you.

Keith Bennett’s Mother Pleads for his Body

For more than 40 years, the Moors murders have lain dormant at the back of the British psyche. They could never be completely forgotten — the five killings were too gruesome for that — but they were put out of mind.

This week, as the mother of one of the victims made a heartbreaking appeal to her son’s killer, they came back in all their gory detail.

The Moors murders — so called because the bodies were buried on Saddleworth Moor in the south Pennines — were carried out between July 1963 and October 1965.

Five children — Pauline Reade (16), John Kilbride (12), Keith Bennett (12), Lesley Ann Downey (10) and Edward Evans (17) — were abducted and killed by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley. At least four were sexually assaulted before death.

It is difficult to comprehend just how big a story the murders were at the time. The Madeleine McCann abduction is the only recent crime that comes close in terms of penetration into the public consciousness.

“It was along the lines of the Ripper,” says John Corcoran, a counsellor who was a teenager in Yorkshire at the time of the murders. “It was that big.

“It was 1966, remember, and we only had BBC and ITV. The print media led the chase on this story, and we had never seen anything like it before, not in movies, or on TV. Serial killers were unknown, really,” he adds.

Brady and Hindley became icons of evil — indeed Hindley was dubbed “the most wicked woman in Britain” by the press — and the murders themselves, and the trial in April 1966, seemed to herald the end of a more innocent, trusting era in British history.

Initially, police believed there were only three victims — Evans, Downey and Kilbride. In 1985, after nearly 20 years in prison, Brady confessed to the murders of Pauline Reade and Keith Bennett.

The investigation was immediately reopened, and Hindley and Brady were brought separately to Saddleworth Moor to direct police to the bodies. Only that of Reade was found.

Keith Bennett was a 12-year-old schoolboy in 1964. On June 16, he was on his way to his grandmother’s house in Longsight when Hindley lured him into her van by asking him to help her load up some boxes. She would give him a lift home after, she said.

Instead she drove to the Moor and Brady, who had been hiding in the back of the van, took him out on to the Moor, ostensibly to help look for a lost glove. According to Hindley, when she asked Brady what he had done with the boy, Brady replied that he had sexually assaulted him, strangled him with a piece of string and then buried him.

In the almost half a century since Keith Bennett was killed, his mother, Winnie Johnson, has written to Brady many times asking for his help in recovering her son’s body.

She has renewed her plea this week because she has been diagnosed with inoperable cervical cancer. Now aged 77, she wants to bury her son before she succumbs to the disease.

She has filmed a short DVD in which she reveals to Brady that she has cancer and appeals directly to him to help her find her son’s remains.

“I’m doing it in the hope he will respond,” Mrs Johnson said. “The most important thing is to find Keith before the cancer beats me.

“He knows where Keith is but I think he enjoys having that last bit of power — and if I find Keith he’ll have nothing left.”

Mrs Johnson has sent hundreds of letters to Brady over the years, and doesn’t hold out much hope that he will respond this time.

In 2006, Brady wrote back, saying he had “clarity” over where Keith was buried, and several meetings with a solicitor for Mrs Johnson ensued, but came to nothing.

In his letter, Brady, who is serving a whole-life sentence at Ashworth high security psychiatric hospital in Sefton, Merseyside, claimed he was being kept alive “for political purposes.”

Myra Hindley died in prison in 2002, aged 60.

John Corcoran remembers reading the ‘Yorkshire Evening Post’ for developments in the investigation. Later, in his work as a counsellor, he helped relatives of the North’s “disappeared” deal with their bereavement.

“The Keith Bennett case is exactly the same thing as the ‘disappeared’ in the Troubles,” he said. “It’s about closure.

“That’s why we have burials in the first place. It’s not about hygiene or public health; it’s about having a body to bury, to see it, to look at it and to say goodbye.

“Not having a body goes against all that. There is something inherently inhuman about not seeing the body and not saying goodbye.”

“It is particularly difficult to work through the grieving process when the body of the deceased has never been found,” agrees Dr Joanne Cooper, a Dublin-based psychologist and Cognitive Behavioural Therapist.

“Many families of missing persons live in hope indefinitely that their loved one may one day return, so the process of grieving never fully gets underway.

“Closure can only be achieved when the tasks of mourning are finally accomplished, but bereavement through homicide brings so many obstacles to the grieving process that families describe it as ‘a life sentence’ for them as well.” she adds.

Winnie Johnson has tried very hard to find closure. Last year, she held a memorial service for Keith in Manchester Cathedral. “I hope he’s found before I go,” she said at the ceremony. “All I want out of life is to find him and to bury him. I just wish he’s found before I’m dead.”

The 300-strong congregation heard the Keith was “a happy-go-lucky boy with a cheeky grin.” He loved football, kept a scrapbook of leaves and collected coins. ‘Till There Was You’ by The Beatles was played as the service began; Keith had begun to follow the band before his death.

“A lot of people get stuck in the denial stage of grief,” says John Corcoran. “If you’ve had a body and buried it, then you can’t be in denial. At one level, Winnie Johnson does know that her little boy is dead, but he [Brady] has given her an excuse to deny that.

“Every time there’s a development in the case, she thinks ‘Maybe it’s not my little boy after all.’ Until she has a body, she can’t even admit to herself that, ‘yes, it was my son that he killed and buried somewhere’.”

Professor John Hunt, an archaeologist who specialises in finding the graves of missing people, spoke at Keith’s memorial service last year.

“I have no idea how many weeks I have spent out on those Moors in the last two decades, trying out methods, trying out ideas,” he said.

“I have learnt many things looking for the missing. Above all I have learnt the importance of closure in returning the lost ones, the importance of returning husbands to their wives and sons to their mothers.”

However, all the words, pleas and appeals are likely to have little influence on Brady, who has never expressed the slightest remorse for his crimes. In his ‘Gates of Janus,’ his controversial book on serial killers, Brady wrote: “You contain me till death in a concrete box that measures eight by ten and expect public confessions of remorse as well?”

Meanwhile, from her home in Longsight — the same place from which Keith was snatched 47 years ago — Winnie Johnson sums up her plight.

“I am Keith’s mother,” she told reporters. “I have lived through this life knowing he is on those Moors. I just want him back.”

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I hope that that scum Brady tells her where the body is but I sadly have a feeling he won’t.

Her pain will feed his ego.

Ian Brady WOULD kill again……..

The Moors Murderers.

Myra Hindley and Ian Brady

Original Article

 

By Patrick Sawer 7:45AM GMT 09 Jan 2011

The 73-year-old convict “wishes the world ill” and expresses no remorse for killing five children with his lover Myra Hindley between 1963 and 1965. If he had the opportunity, he would be likely to shoot people he had a grudge against.

The conclusions emerged from an unprecedented six-year dialogue between Brady and Dr Chris Cowley, which provide the clearest insight into Brady’s mindset since he was imprisoned in 1966.

In letters and in interviews carried out at Ashworth high-security hospital in Merseyside, Brady:

* Dismisses the Moors murders as “an existential exercise” with their own ‘value’.

I would love to know what frigging value he puts on these horrific acts!

* Compares himself favourably to statesmen including Tony Blair, claiming they have committed worse crimes than his.

* Says he turned down several opportunities to escape shortly after his arrest in October 1965.

Brady – who has been told that he will never be released – emerges from the study as a sociopath with few redeeming features, showing no compassion or feeling for anyone other than himself.

He has been confined to Ashworth since 1985, when was declared criminally insane after spending twenty years in normal prisons. He and Hindley were sentenced to life for the killings of Lesley Ann Downey, 10, and Edward Evans, 17; Brady was also convicted of killing John Kilbride, 12.

Later the pair admitted two additional murders, of Pauline Reade, 16 and Keith Bennett, 12.

For the past eight years Brady has been on hunger strike, insisting he wants to die and surviving only by being force fed twice a day by staff at Ashworth. In 2000 a judicial review refused to overturn the decision to keep him alive.

IMO, this is one guy that should be allowed to off himself.

Dr Cowley, who runs courses for police officers and social workers, began writing to Brady six years ago as part of his research on the profiling of serial killers.

After gaining Brady’s trust Dr Cowley held a number of face to face meetings with him at Ashworth, from which he wrote a book published this month, Face To Face With Evil.

I want  to read this book. If anyone has read it I would love to hear your comments on it.

In it he concludes that if Brady was ever released from custody – something no Government has been prepared to countenance – he would “probably” resume killing.

I am willing to bet that Brady would kill as long as he was physically able. He states above that he would likely shoot people, makes me think that even as he sits in an institution he is wanting and planning on the next kill. His fantasies still playing in his mind.

In the interviews, Brady told Dr Cowley that paintballing is “no substitute for the real thing”, that  “at least Columbine [the massacre of US high school students by two fellow pupils] demonstrates that there is some spine left in America” and that “I wish this place and this country and this world ill.”

He seems to be connecting killing with bravery? I wonder if he actually followed the killings or if he only heard that there were shootings. I also wonder if knowing the details would change anything in his mind?

On one unsettling occasion, Brady suggested that Dr Cowley should kill his own boss over a minor bureaucratic dispute. At another point he stated: “There is no great gulf between the criminal and others except the will to enact.”

Dr Cowley told The Sunday Telegraph: “Ian Brady is a sociopath who shows no remorse and no compassion. He will only do things for other people if he has something to gain. He intellectualized his murders, calling them his ‘existential exercise’ – which he planned in advance in careful detail – or ‘that Moors business’, as if they were a glitch in his great criminal career.

“His only thought for the victims or their families is what he can get out of it. He would kill again without a thought for anyone who gets in his way.

For him it’s like swatting a fly, which is how he regarded the children he murdered.

In his letters to Dr Cowley, Brady repeatedly dismisses the scale and significance of his crimes in comparison to the killings carried out by Governments and political leaders.

Justifying and trying to excuse his brutal child murders by comparing them to political issues and wars. I hope that people do not buy into this. I don’t believe he believes it.

In one letter he states: “The politically chosen establishment judge for the judicial review [of his force feeding] was the one who, weeks prior, allowed [Chile’s General Augusto] Pinochet to flee the UK and escape charges of war crimes.

“He found Pinochet unfit to stand trial for the torture and murder of 4,000 political prisoners, and me not fit to die by voluntary starvation, refusing to halt Ashworth force feeding me.”

I am all for allowing him to starve to death! I do want to add that if he decides the last minute to not die, tough. Let him make his own bed the allow him to lie and die in it!

When Dr Cowley asked Brady about his murders his frequent response was that British forces had killed far more people than he had during the invasion of Iraq.

Does not matter, one does not, can not, will never cancel out or excuse the other.

Asked during one conversation why he does not publicly express any remorse for the Moors murders Brady says he does not see the point, stating defiantly: “It is just bringing up ancient history and revives, openly, old wounds and sores.

“Nobody is going to gain by it, nobody.”

The only remorse he appears to feel is for Hindley’s capture and imprisonment until her death in 2002.

Dr Cowley believes Brady still “carries a torch” for his former lover, despite the fact she blamed him for the murders in an attempt to win parole from prison.

At one stage Brady tells him: “The line between remorse for the victims and remorse for being captured can be somewhat blurred.”

I think that is one thing that is true and common among serial killers. Often what their friends, family and sympathizers think is remorse for the murders is actually just remorse over being caught, it is a form of self-pity.

Dr Cowley states that the only regret felt by Brady for his crimes is “because of the consequences that have to be endured [by him] not because they were truly wrong in themselves from any kind of moral perspective”.

Brady and Hindley were eventually arrested at his home following a tip-off to police.

Brady, who turned 73 earlier this month and is suffering from cataracts and severe weight loss, told Dr Cowley he would have shot his way to freedom when police arrested him – had he not left his handgun in an upstairs room because it was getting in the way of moving the body of his last victim.

Farcically, Brady forgot to destroy lists reminding himself to destroy any telltale evidence of the murders. One list even included a note reminding himself to destroy such notes.

These were subsequently found by police in his car and formed a key part of the evidence against the couple.

But, intriguingly, Brady told Dr Cowley he had several opportunities to escape immediately following his arrest.

While at Hyde police station in Manchester he was left alone in a canteen with an unbarred window, while his police guard took a phone call.

A second opportunity presented itself when he was escorted on foot, without handcuffs or police dogs, to the women’s section of Risley remand centre for an interview with his solicitor.

Thick fog meant all he had to do was step sideways to disappear from sight.

“It was a cinch,” said Brady.

Dr Cowley suspects that loyalty to Hindley and the hope of acquittal, or even the delusion they might only receive a normal ‘life’ tariff, prevented Brady seizing his opportunity.

Again, not uncommon. Serial killers often consider themselves much smarter than the police, juries, judges and all other people in general. They get sloppy and get caught as much due to their own arrogance as due to police work and forensics.

His study of Brady leads him to argue that the criminal profiles of killers drawn up to aid their capture are frequently too one-dimensional.

According to Dr Cowley profiling is usually attempted too late, when police have exhausted other lines of inquiry, rather than from the start of an investigation, when evidence is fresh on the ground.

He told this newspaper: “Profiling should begin at the very start of an investigation, not when everyone else has trodden all over the evidence.”

Dr Cowley is forgetting that profiling is a tool, just one tool of many that police use. Profiling is not THE biggest part of any investigation, it is just a part of it.

Also, evidence is needed to make a profile, the more evidence the better and more defined the profile can be.

Furthermore, Dr Cowley says that with both contemporary and present-day profiling techniques, someone like Brady would probably have been excluded from the Moors murders inquiry, as he did not match several of the characteristics regarded as central to any suspect.

While there are ‘starting’ points in any profile those points are not set in solid stone. Yes, we hear white male late 20’s to early 30’s very often, especially in popular television shows and novels but that is not a set profile. If crimes happen in a primarily all black area a white person would stick out so you start with a Black male and using the victims and the evidence available you build from scratch based on what we know.

He did not have a history of mental illness or of failed relationships, and he was not a loner uncomfortable in social settings.

There have been many serial killers without the traits above and profilers know that. Also, MOST serial killers do not have a history of mental illness.

“Brady would probably have been quickly eliminated from the possible suspect pool if his data had been included in an investigation using the above criteria,” said Dr Cowley. “Hindley would have been eliminated at the very first step.”

Dr. Cowley is assuming that had a profile been made it would have stated those things. He obviously doesn’t understand profiling at all. He does not seem to understand how a profile is made, what it is based on or even how it is supposed to be used in an investigation. Most people don’t, but usually they do not write books that seem that they do!

As it was, the couple were caught because they allowed Hindley’s brother-in-law, David Smith, to watch the murder of Edward Evans. On leaving the scene Smith simply turned the two killers in.

* Face to Face with Evil: Conversations with Ian Brady, by Chris Cowley is published by John Blake and is out now.

I do not think that Dr. Chris Cowley really understands the law enforcement side of things, but I still want to read his book. Not for what he says but for what Ian exposes about the mind of a serial killer.

Wiki article on the Moors Murders

Ian Brady ; The Right To Die

See No Evil. A movie about the murders.

 






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