Posts Tagged ‘ Atlantic City ’

One or two? Not enough information yet.

Barbara Breidor, Kim Raffo, Molly Dilts, Tracy Roberts

I have a habit of getting little obsessions and since this is my blog I am going to indulge myself here. I am sorry if I ramble and also sorry for how long this will be. Maybe it will end up as a few separate posts. *

For the last few days and nights I have been reading whatever I can find on the 4 murdered women found in New York 12/15/10 and the 4 dead women found in New Jersey 11/20/06. I have been trying to figure out if in my opinion there is one or two serial killers to blame. I keep bouncing back and forth due to lack of information in both cases.

I have went back and found as many article as I could on the New Jersey case but even with many years passing the police have released little. What I have been able to find out is:

  • All four women were facing the same direction, east, looking towards the boardwalk and the casinos. Although it was called a dump site the women had been placed there not simply thrown there like trash. I suppose the speculation about the killer carrying and placing the victims in a way that led to the all facing east could be valid but I don’t think that was the case. I think that they were placed there and their heads were turned to face the casinos on purpose. It brought to my mind Edmund Kemper who placed one of his victim’s in the yard facing his mom’s window. I do wonder if the killer wanted these women to look over at him as he did his work on the boardwalk.
  • All four were barefoot, no socks and no shoes. Although I saw reports of people talking about the prostitutes in that area running around without shoes this was late November in NJ. I think it would have been too cold for this to have been the case. It could have been a way for the killer to slow down any escape attempt but I tend to lean with those that think the killer had either a foot or a shoe fetish.
  • Two were strangled with either a cord or a rope. The other two were too decomposed to give a definite cause of death but I am willing to  guess that all were killed in the same manner.
  • All the woman were addicted to drugs or alcohol before they were killed. They were found to have very high amounts of the drug of their choice in their systems. I find this interesting since it implies that the killer could have given the women those large amounts as a way to entice them and or sedate them. It is not often that ‘working girls’ can afford very large amounts of their drug and in this case all 4 were able to obtain large enough amounts that it was notable by the police and the press. It also makes me wonder if he knew them or if he at least spent enough time with them to know their vices.
  • The women were all dumped (placed) within about a month and 1/2 of each other. They seemed to have been killed and discarded in a short time. The dump site was found was found within 24 hours of the last victim being put there.

Molly Dilts last seen 10/07/06

Barbara Breidor last seen 10/17/06

Tracy Roberts last seen mid November (07-15) 06

Kim Raffo last seen 11/19/06

Bodies discovered 11/20/06

  • The women were discovered in shallow running water, probably an attempt to wash away any evidence. It seems to have worked.

Once the bodies were found the killer seemed to have stopped killing.

Maybe it was that the bodies were found. It scared him. Made him stop for a while and he had to get his satisfaction just reading reports and following the investigation through the press. If he was like many other killers he knew a cop or a reporter or maybe someone that was in that area that would have been there when the police were there. He got his thrills that way, vicariously. It was enough to quell his want. That would only last for so long.

Then other things popped up and he did just stop killing. He might have, I know it is a popular idea that serial killers can not just stop but that is not entirely true. Just like the rest of us, serial killers have lives and sometimes their lives ‘interfere’ (for lack of a better word) with things like killing. Maybe he got a new job, had a new baby, got married, had a death in th family or any other ‘normal’ thing. The things that would normally take our time away from the internet, shopping, bar hopping, socializing; take a serial killer away from his fantasies, his ‘hunting’ and his killing.

All of that is possible. It is also possible that he did stop because his dumping and hunting grounds were discovered. Maybe he did stop the killing and enjoyed his ‘fame’ and the fact that the cops had no clue. He probably still stalked & hunted but because the police were so close he new that he he could not act on his desires. He also learned from his mistakes. He evolved and in doing so found a new way to hunt and a new place to dispose of his victims.

Hence the reason I still wonder if the two ‘dumping’ grounds are connected to the same killer.

There are many differences, some very important, that have me sitting on the fence. I can not say that he did start stalking on Craigslist so that his victims were not locals. I can not say that he did choose another place to place his victims.

I do not think that he just died or was arrested the day after the bodies were found.

I actually think that the ‘dumping grounds’ show that is very well could be 2 killers.

There were a few suspects in the New Jersey case but none were firm. Terry Oleson was the most ‘popular’ suspect. He was charged with video taping his ex’s daughter. I just do not think it was him. He might have been a slime ball but I do not think he was capable of these murders. Whatever else he did, on the limited information that I have I doubt he had anything to do with these killings.

I will go into the New York Victims soon. Then compare contrast and maybe then I can give an honest opinion without boncing back and forth.

This is over 1,000 words now and other things call so I will have to do that later.

Source

Source

Source

Source

Source

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Says No Jack the Ripper in NY

A woman last seen running in terror from a Long Island, N.Y., house in May is not one of four bodies dumped along a New York beach over the last two years, a forensic analysis has concluded.

Police speculated that Shannan Gilbert, 24, might be among the victims whose remains were found last week along a road that runs beside Gilgo Beach — a discovery that has prompted fears a serial killer might be on the loose.

“The Suffolk County Medical Examiner’s Office has determined through analysis of forensic evidence that none of the human remains found in Gilgo Beach during the past week are that of Shannan Gilbert,” police said in a prepared statement. “Suffolk County Police Homicide Squad detectives have notified Gilbert’s family. The investigation into the disappearance of Gilbert is still ongoing.”

Earlier, police swarmed around the home where Gilbert last was seen in May and confiscated an SUV from the property.

Despite the search around the home of Joseph Brewer, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said he had no suspects in the deaths of the four women.

The commissioner also tried to downplay fears that a serial murderer was on the loose.

“I don’t want people to think that we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife,” Dormer said. “This is an anomaly.”

This morning, authorities closed a 10-mile stretch of Ocean Parkway near Brewer’s Oak Beach, N.Y., home. At least 20 police cars and 10 cadaver dogs arrived and began combing the area in a search for more bodies.

“We’re going to expand the search throughout that community over the next few days,” Dormer said. “We want to make sure we didn’t miss anything.”

Police are also trying to determine the identities of the skeletal remains, a job that could take weeks or months.

Dormer said identifying the bodies “is of the utmost importance for the investigation.”

Forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner said that the high level of decomposition will make identifying the cause of death difficult.

Two Possible Victims Were Prostitutes Who Met Clients on Craigslist

Police say Gilbert met her clients on Craigslist and Brewer told Newsday that he had hired Gilbert for a “date” and that she was at his house for a party when she became agitated and left.

Brewer told WABC, “The truth will come out, the truth will come out. The police know everything.”

Police won’t say how Brewer’s home, just miles from the crime scene, is connected to the investigation, but on Wednesday night they towed away an SUV from the premises.

Brewer’s neighbors said Gilbert was last seen running for her life from the home.

Guy Coletti lives three miles from where the bodies were found. He remembers seeing a woman he believes was Gilbert on the night of May 1.

“She said ‘Help me’ … and she just looked like she was spaced out,” Coletti said.

Coletti said Gilbert came to his house and claimed someone was after her. Coletti called 911, but before police could respond, he said Gilbert fled, tumbling down his front steps and vanishing into the weeds around his house.

Gilbert’s family said that she made a frantic 911 call herself and even named her alleged attacker. Police won’t comment on whether the call was made.

Is Maine Woman Among 4 Bodies Found?

Police are investigating whether Megan Waterman, a single mother from Maine, may be another of the victims.

“My gut tells me that Megan is no longer with us,” Lorraine Ela, Waterman’s mother, said. “It’s been heartbreaking the past almost six and a half months.”

Waterman’s mother said her daughter worked as a prostitute and was also known to use Craigslist. Megan was last seen on June 6 at a hotel in Hauppauge, N.Y., a town near Gilgo Beach where the bodies were discovered.

“Me and my family have tried talking to Megan about the dangers of advertising on Craigslist. She didn’t listen to us,” Waterman said.

New York Bodies Linked To Atlantic City Case?

Police also told ABC News that they are looking at a possible connection to the 2006 unsolved murders of four prostitutes 160 miles away in the boardwalk area of Atlantic City in 2006. They were found lying in a drainage ditch.

“We have been in contact with authorities in Suffolk County. … It would not be fair for us to comment on their investigation,” Atlantic County Prosecutor Ted Housel said in a statement to ABC News on Wednesday.

“We’re dealing with four women that were disposed of, and it would appear at least one of them has connections to prostitution, so the similarities to me are striking and very eerie,” Leonard said.

Source and more including video coverage.

>>Sorry just cut and paste, had a hard day and I am beat.<<

%d bloggers like this: