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Parents Grieve

Joanna Parrish: ‘We just want to know who killed our daughter’

Twenty-one years after the unsolved murder of an English student in France, the parents of Joanna Parrish still search for answers. Last week, they learnt they may never find justice.

It was a last, desperate attempt by Pauline Murrell to discover who killed her daughter Joanna more than 20 years ago: a heart-rending three-page letter to the wife of the suspected killer, begging her “as one mother to another” to tell her the truth.

“I hope that you will be able to give us a bit of the peace of mind that we have been seeking for so long,” reads the letter. “We need to know the truth and you are the only person who can help us… Madame, I beg you to re-examine your conscience and tell me the truth.”

“I thought that, as a mother of three sons, she would understand; that maybe she would have the same parental feelings as a normal person,” says Mrs Murrell sadly, sipping a cup of tea. We are sitting in the handsome Gloucestershire cottage owned by Roger Parrish, Joanna’s 67-year-old father. The couple are divorced, and Pauline remarried, but their shared grief means they remain close friends.

Joanna Parrish’s parents have spent more than two decades fighting for justice for their 20-year-old daughter who was found raped and strangled in a river in Auxerre, Burgundy.

With no help forthcoming from Monique Olivier – the wife of the French serial killer Michel Fourniret, who was suspected of Jo’s murder but never tried – the couple have had to rely on the French police investigation, which they feel has been inadequate.

Then last week they received another crushing blow, one that almost certainly means they will never know who killed their daughter. They were informed that a Paris prosecutor had asked a judge to rule that there is “no case to answer” against Fourniret and Olivier.

“We had been dreading the day when we would hear this news,” says Mr Parrish, a retired civil servant. “That’s why we sent the letter. It is a terrible shock. It means the case is closed and we will never know who killed Jo. All we ever wanted was the truth so that we could move on with our lives. That almost certainly won’t be possible now.”

Joanna, a languages student at Leeds University, was found dead on May 17, 1990, a week before she was due to finish teaching English as an assistante at a lycée in Auxerre, where she was spending the third year of her four-year course.

Her parents had planned to visit her and take her belongings home. Meanwhile, Joanna was set to travel on to the Czech Republic to join her boyfriend Patrick, another Leeds student spending a year abroad.

According to a flatmate, Jo had received a phone call from a man responding to a newspaper advert she had placed offering private English classes. He said he wanted Joanna to teach his son. She arranged to meet the mystery caller outside the Banque Populaire in Auxerre at 7pm – but she never returned home. Her naked body was found the following day in the River Yonne, three miles outside the town. She had been raped and strangled.

The death of such a popular, friendly girl, with her adult life just beginning, shattered her family. “She was at that age when she was slipping free of the apron strings,” Mr Parrish says as he flicks through photographs of Jo – his “bright, happy, caring” daughter – as a sweet 14-year-old; Jo aged 16 as Sleeping Beauty in a pantomime; Jo with her brother, Barney, three years her junior. “She was sailing across a smooth sea. She was at a top university, with a bright career ahead of her, and in a fulfilling relationship. She was doing well and was happy. Then she was taken from us, from everyone, in such a terrible way.

“She had done nothing wrong, she was innocent. I cannot find the words to describe the impact her loss has had – and is still having – on us. It was like the end of our lives.”

Once, even twice, a year following their daughter’s murder, her grief-stricken parents would travel to France to hand out leaflets, appeal for information, and search for clues, witnesses, anything that might help.

Then in May 2008, Michel Fourniret, now 68, was jailed for life for murdering seven women aged between seven and 21 in north-east France and Belgium. He was dubbed The Beast of Ardennes. His wife, Monique Olivier, who had helped lure the victims, was also given a life sentence for complicity.

Mr Parrish says there are “too many similarities” with the other murders. At Fourniret’s trial, they heard how he was obsessed with raping and killing girls and young women, preferably virgins, aided by his wife, who was described in court as “a deceitful witch”. His victims were strangled, like Joanna, or shot or stabbed to death with a screwdriver, mostly in the forests of Ardennes.

In several cases Olivier gave a lift to a girl, sometimes with her baby son in the back of the car, and would then “pick up” Fourniret who would be waving an empty petrol can at the roadside. He was eventually caught in 2003 after a 13-year-old girl he had abducted escaped from the back of his white van when it stopped at traffic lights. She told police Fourniret had said to her: “Shut up or I’ll kill you. You must give me pleasure.”

Monique Olivier has thrice told prosecutors that she had seen her husband murder a young woman in Auxerre and then dump the body in the Yonne river in 1990 – which is precisely what happened to Joanna. But each time she had retracted the confession, claiming it was made under duress.

Joanna’s parents remain calm and dignified, but they are still angry that the police did not do more to find Jo’s killer. The investigation has been beset by blunders and delays as the Auxerre police “lost” crucial DNA evidence that, with today’s technology, could have led them to the murderer.

Crucially, officers also failed to trace the phone call made to Joanna to arrange the English lessons. “There is something very wrong with the way the investigation was handled,” says Mr Parrish. “It’s been incredibly frustrating.”

Parents never recover from the loss of a child; they can only cope as best they can. Mr Parrish says the torment is worst at night. He has had to take sleeping pills every evening since Jo’s death.

Joanna’s mother is similarly tormented. “Never a day goes by that we don’t think about her.” She admits she didn’t cry for months after her daughter’s death, partly because she was in denial, partly because they were used to Jo being away from home for long periods. But the reality hit her in October, and the tears flowed, when she read a copy of the post-mortem report. The details of Jo’s death were gruesome. “I told Roger not to read it, but he did. It was just so horrible,” she says.

Their turbulent emotions include an element of guilt, irrational perhaps, but real to those who are left behind when children die. “It feels we have let her down,” says Mrs Murrell. “I think that perhaps we could have done some things differently.”

Indeed, memories of Jo come back to haunt them at unexpected times – when they hear a song or music that she loved, for instance, such as Pachelbel’s Canon or Wham’s Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go, which the family would sing as “before you Jo-Jo”.

Stumbling across something that belonged to their lost daughter can also trigger powerful emotions. “I found her school scarf the other day and I just started crying,” says her mother.

Jo’s brother, Barney, was “knocked sideways” by his sister’s death. “He saw her as a guiding light and was a lost soul when she was killed,” says Mr Parrish. “He didn’t talk about Jo for months.”

Barney missed the summer term of his lower sixth and, though he returned to school for his upper sixth year, was unable to sit his A-levels. He also had to cope with another shock: the news that his parents were separating.

They had decided to split up six weeks before Jo was killed. Roger and Pauline had told Jo who, they say, “understood”, but didn’t plan to tell Barney until his sister was back from her travels. In the end, he had to deal with both blows at once.

“He was a young 17 and we were worried about him,” says Mr Parrish. “It took him until he was well into his thirties before he settled down.”

Jo and Barney’s parents went ahead with the separation but remain close. Barney, now 39, and his wife Hayley have given Roger and Pauline three grandchildren – a source, they say, of immense comfort.

Locals in the picture-perfect village of Newnham on Severn, where Jo spent most of her teenage years, rallied round after the murder, calling in regularly to check on the family. Her funeral was held at the local St Peter’s church, with 600 people attending the service. “Neighbours still ask me about the investigation,” says Mrs Murrell.

Even today, the family receives emails from many of Jo’s French pupils and university friends. Her boyfriend Patrick, now married with two daughters, visits the family and puts flowers on Jo’s grave every year.

Her family gathers on Jo’s birthday – July 30 – to “celebrate” her life, while her parents also meet, more quietly, on the anniversary of her death.

But Joanna’s parents have also had to cope with criticism of their quest to find the truth about what happened to their daughter. When they went on their regular trips to France to check on the investigation and make their own inquiries, one teacher accused them of giving the Lycée Jacques Amyot, where Joanna had taught, a bad name. Others in the town said they were damaging the reputation of Auxerre and putting off tourists. Mr Parrish was even criticised for saying the fact that Joanna was dragged to the river along a small, hidden track suggested the killer was a local person.

Twenty-one years after their daughter’s murder, her parents know that the last legal door has probably been slammed in their faces, even though their lawyers will challenge the decision. The case against Fourniret can be reopened if new evidence emerges in the next 10 years – but they know this is unlikely.

But Joanna’s parents have not yet given up hope entirely. The couple are pinning their hopes on Monique Olivier – perhaps even Fourniret himself – confessing before they die.

“They will both get older and they may just decide to say something,” believes Mr Parrish. “And we have to cling to that hope.”


The case has been closed. 
Crime Library Story on Fourniret and Olivier.

Operation Phoenix.

THE world’s first online murder database will make it easier for cops to snare serial killers such as Peter Tobin.

Operation Phoenix goes live today across the Strathclyde Police force area.

And it is hoped the web-based system, which identifies patterns and trends, will be rolled out across Scotland next year.

Phoenix has been four years in the making and was developed for just £32,500 by Scotland’s biggest police force and the national Violence Reduction Unit (VRU).

To date, 2277 murders are on the database, dating back to 1940, as well as scores of long-term missing persons.

The Record was the first paper to be briefed on technology that has the potential to revolutionise the investigation of both cold and live cases.

Strathclyde Detective Chief Superintendent Colin Field said: “From an investigative perspective we think we have got something here that is pretty unique.

“As part of the development of Phoenix, we have already identified murders where there are fresh lines of inquiry or opportunity.”

Field, who chaired the working group which created the virtual reference library, would not be drawn on cases where a breakthrough could be imminent. But he said the technology could prove invaluable in hunting down monsters such as Peter Tobin, who committed murders in Glasgow, Bathgate and Kent.

Asked if Tobin could have been caught sooner if Phoenix had been operational, Field said: “Although the system will never actually physically identify an individual as a suspect it will assist in quick identification of links with previous detected and unresolved cases.

“This will identify quickly any possible suspects.”

The top cop added: “It’s about creating a legacy and learning from our investigations.”

Phoenix was inspired by Operation Trinity, a homicide database developed to examine links between a series of unsolved murders from the 1970s, including the World’s End case.

It involved the compilation of data on every female murder in Scotland since 1965.

Since 2008 a dedicated team of Phoenix analysts have created dossiers on 2277 murders.

While all unresolved murders will be fed into the database, details of resolved cases – around 1200 – have only been recorded back to 1995.

Field said Phoenix will save a massive amount of police time and resources.

He said: “If you pick out a murder that is 20 years old and find out who actually worked on it, that will take a month.

“To get that small amount of information there you would probably have to search police officer’s lofts and garages.”

Karyn McCluskey, deputy head of the VRU, said: “For Trinity they had to invite old detectives in to tell war stories because there was nothing written down. That’s why Phoenix is so unique.

“It is cutting edge and it is designed to get an outcome for victims’ families.”

Ms McCluskey said it is also an invaluable tool for crime prevention in that it can be used to identify trends.

She added: “No murder is ever forgotten.

“If you have got a 70-year-old out there who has committed a murder 50 years ago on a 20-yearold female then it is still live and people are still looking.

“The victims are always remembered. The 2277 murders is not a statistic Scotland should be proud of. We must learn from it and do better in future.”

VRU analyst Maighread Townsend said the database includes a complete overview of a crime, with everything from scene pics and CCTV footage to post mortem reports and behavioural information for the victim and offender.

The old database had 48 fields but Phoenix has 358 – and rising.

Maighread said the “golden section” of the database is the action log which contains details of all the decisions – good and bad – taken during the course of the investigation.

Cops can also use mapping software to chart the previous addresses of a suspect and undetected crimes which have occurred nearby.

Officers can then explore coincidences in dates and descriptions.

After every case has concluded full debrief must be held within 28 days to allow key aspects of the inquiry to be preserved while they are still fresh in the minds of those who worked on the case.

Detective Inspector Pat Campbell said the debriefs take the form of an “honest debate” and allow for both best practice and mistakes to be recorded for all posterity.

And since 2009 Strathclyde Police have held 75.

They aim to ensure priceless expertise is not lost when senior officers retire but rather is preserved for future generations of detectives.

Field said: “The loneliest place on the planet is when you are the senior officer in a murder. Phoenix is about giving you support and a virtual critical friend.” Strathclyde Chief Constable Stephen House said: “The message is a simple one.

“We will catch you and you will be brought to justice.”

Full Article


I am excited to see how this goes. If it does work as well as they are stating this could be a great asset for law enforcement world wide.

Spectator ejected at Anthony Sowell murder trial

CLEVELAND — A man was removed from the courtroom because of his outburst during the trial of accused serial killer Anthony Sowell.

The man, who was not immediately identified, was escorted out of the courtroom by a sheriff’s deputy on the orders of Judge Dick Ambrose for yelling, “Now you know how we feel!”

He was then led out of the Justice Center and will not be allowed back into the courtroom for the duration of the trial. 

The spectator, who is thought to be a relative of two of the Imperial Avenue murder victims, was reacting to the testimony of Anthony Sowell’s sister, Tressa Garrison.

She was being questioned about the minutes immediately following the discovery of the first bodies in Sowell’s house on Imperial Avenue in October, 2009.

Garrison and her family lived on East 130th Street, a few blocks away from her brother’s house.

“It was just a very frantic time.  It was ridiculous,” Garrison said of the public and media attention that came her family’s way.

She testified that her oldest daughter was stopped by police on Imperial Avenue just for going to see if something had happened to her Uncle Tony the night the his house was being searched by police.

“Now you know how we feel!” the spectator blurted out, and was immediately walked out of the courtroom.

Testimony on this morning of the seventh day of the serial murder trial also included a brief statement from Joe Veal, the man who spotted a hooded Sowell walking down Mount Auburn Avenue near East 102nd Street around noon on Saturday, October 31, 2009.

“He looked like the guy they was looking for, so I went to the police station and told them follow me,” Veal testified.

One of the police officers who responded said Sowell initially denied he was the man they were looking for, even when he was shown a picture of himself. “He said he was Anthony Williams,” Cleveland Police Officer Charles Locke testified.

At the police station, Sowell asked for coffee and a cigarette, and while talking with Sgt. Ronald Ross, started sweating profusely and fell to his knees. “He said he didn’t want any help,” Ross told the court. “He said he wanted to die.”

Ross testified that Sowell told him he was “glad it’s over,” and that when “I asked him if everything we found in the house was it, he goes, ‘I think so.’  And I asked him what about outside, and he said, ‘oh, those too.'”

At the time, one body had been found buried in Sowell’s yard, and Ross said he immediately wondered if there were more. In the following days, a total of five decomposing bodies would be unearthed in the yard, in addition to the six that were found inside his house.

Earlier Thursday, Sowell’s nephew Ja’ovvani Garrison, who lived with his mother in the East 130th Street house, testified that he was playing video games with his uncle the night Anthony Sowell’s house was search and the first bodies were being discovered. He said Sowell left briefly with another woman, but returned about 15 minutes later.

Garrison testified that Sowell did not talk about what had happened in the time he was gone. It was later discovered that he saw police activity near his home and stopped short, and asked the woman to drive him back to his sister’s house.


These trials have to be so hard on the families.

All of the families, the killer’s included.

It is not something I can imagine going through. When I try I picture myself hanging out in a hall and taking a shot at the serial killer. It does not matter if my loved one was a victim or the killer.

Not that it would work, but that is how I imagine myself reacting.

In reality I do not know and hope to never find out.

The Author of Dexter Speaks About Serial Killers

Sympathy for the Devils


I MAKE my living writing about a serial killer. It’s a pretty good living, and quite frankly, that surprises me. When I wrote my first book, “Darkly Dreaming Dexter,” the story of a sympathetic killer, I thought I was writing something creepy, repellent, perhaps a little wicked. To balance that, I also made him vulnerable and funny, I gave him a fondness for children, and I wrote in the first person — all elements intended to bridge the gap between a homicidal psychopath and readers, who I assumed would, nevertheless, be appalled.

They weren’t; they liked him. Before publication, a nice-looking yenta from marketing took me aside and confessed, “I maybe shouldn’t say? But I have such a crush on Dexter.” So did other readers. The book took off like a dark little rocket. One of the early reviews even said it “breathes new life into the genre,” which meant there was a serial killer genre.

I found that amazing: I had done the darkest, least lovable thing I could think of, and a whole genre was there ahead of me.

People, I realized, like to read about serial killers. And as I found myself on the telephone with Hollywood, arranging for Dexter’s translation into a series for Showtime, I began to think that was pretty funny. “Lovable serial killer.” Ha ha ha.

And then bodies turn up in real life and it isn’t funny anymore.

This time, it’s along a beach on Long Island. Our shock blooms as phrases pop out from the news coverage: “at least eight bodies” and “three or even four killers.” We read more — we can’t help it. We’re sickened and disgusted, but we need to know. And the more we know about the scene, the more we really are horrified. The ghastly image of this beach as a dumping ground for bodies is bad enough. But then four of the bodies, wrapped in burlap, are thought to be the work of one person: a serial killer.

There’s a special sense of dread that comes with that phrase, “serial killer.” It represents an inhuman psychology that is beyond us, and because of that, we can’t look away.

We can all conceive of killing someone in self-defense, or in combat. But to kill repeatedly, because we want to, because we like to — that’s so far outside ordinary human understanding that we can’t possibly have an empathetic response. The word “evil” seems a bit quaint and biblical — but what else can we call it?

I was brought up to believe that death and money are private, and I was taught to have only contempt for people who slowed down to gawk at an accident. I can’t help feeling that this is similar — but I watch, too. Have I become what my mother called a rubbernecker and what my father, more bluntly, called an idiot?

Maybe so, but I have lots of company. Not just Americans, either; the Dexter series has been translated into 38 languages, and sensational news of serial killers regularly floods in from Russia, China, all over the world. People everywhere are willing voyeurs to mayhem. And when we learn of serial murders like the recent case at Gilgo Beach, our “dark watcher,” that small part of us that just can’t turn away, perks up and pays attention.

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. We don’t become evil because we dwell on it. In fact, one reason we gawk is to reassure ourselves that we could never do such a thing. When we stare at carnage we feel fear and revulsion, and that tells us with certainty that creating this kind of horror is beyond us.

And it is. Serial killers are psychopaths, and current research in brain mapping indicates that psychopaths are born, not made. There is an actual, physical, difference in their brains; you can’t become a serial killer by reading about one, any more than you can get magical powers from reading “Harry Potter.” You can watch “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” 20 times and it will not inspire you to butcher the neighbors. We can no more move from watcher to killer than we can breathe water.

But a homicidal psychopath — a serial killer — delights in killing. He often taunts the rest of us in some way as part of his fun. The evil creature that has been dumping bodies on Gilgo Beach has used his victim’s cellphone to call her sister.

It’s inhuman cruelty, but the research I read to write my “Dexter” books predicts that, when they catch him, he will probably look just like us. He will be known as a charming and thoughtful co-worker, a nice man who helps his ailing neighbor carry her groceries, and no one will have suspected what he really is.

This is the theater of paranoia, and it grips us, too, because we need a way to see the clues that must be there. Who among your friends and colleagues might be staring at your back and sharpening a knife?

You can’t know; but by watching, you know it could never be you. I think that’s good. We can’t deny that evil exists — but it’s not who we are. And the existence of evil implies its opposite: there is good, too.

As ordinary human beings, we live somewhere in the middle, jerked back and forth by circumstance, never quite reaching either extreme. And if you never understand someone who lives at the evil pole, no matter how much you rubberneck, that’s good.

It means you’re only human.

Jeff Lindsay is the author, most recently, of “Dexter Is Delicious.”

A version of this op-ed appeared in print on June 25, 2011, on page A19 of the New York edition with the headline: Sympathy for the Devils.

NY Times

Scary Serial Killer Sympathizer.

Obviously this girl just wants to antagonize,  but it is still scary that she would even pretend to think this way.

That other people would ignore or agree with her.

That she would speak so publicly, freely and openly about not only something that she has never studied (even in the least bit since she considers Hannibal a  real serial killer) but something that could hurt so many others, victim’s families, the societies that the crimes were committed in and the killer’s families.

Does she (and so many others) just see serial killers as movie characters?

Does she (and others) not realize / care about the ripple effect of these killers?

Or is it simply that she (and so many others) does not really know that the monsters really do exist?

I hate to give link time to her, but at the same time I know that she speaks for so many. There are many naive kids and adults.

Please see the page, here or at the FBI site dealing with Serial Killer Myths.

Sorry, She deleted the video.

Here is another one to replace it.

I am looking for the rest of the show.

Peter Tobin Wants Sick Pay

Peter Tobin is unbelievable. This ‘man’ needs to be destroyed.

Monster Peter Tobin is demanding sick pay from the taxpayer to sit around doing nothing in jail.

The serial killer thinks he is entitled to more than £560 a year in prison “wages”.

And with Tobin, 64, certain to spend the  rest of his days behind bars, hard-up Scots could end up shelling out thousands of pounds to him before he finally dies.

Tobin has lodged a formal complaint with prison bosses in a bid to get his hands on the cash.

If he wins his case, he’ll get hundreds of pounds extra to spend on luxuries at the prison shop.

A source at Saughton jail in Edinburgh told the Record: “Tobin’s a complete chancer. Other inmates can’t believe his brass neck.”

At the moment, Tobin only gets £4.80 a week “wages” because he insists he is too old and ill to take a prison job.

The killer, who has a long history of feigning illness to get sympathy, spends his days lazing in his cell in a wheelchair while other Saughton cons go off to work.

Tobin whiles away the time playing poker with his pals, rapists Kevin “The Thing” Fyffe and psychopath Michal Marchlewski.

But our source told us: “He insists he is entitled to full pay – £10.80 a week – because that’s the amount he could earn if he was working.

“Tobin’s launched a complaint through the prison’s internal procedure.

“The staff think it’s a joke and the other inmates are going off their heads about it.

“They have to go to their jobs all week while Tobin gets wheeled about by Fyffe and other hangers-on.

“All he does is play poker during recreation time.”

The insider added: “Tobin’s claiming he’s not fit to work because he’s too old and unfit from a bad back.

“He’s always moaning about something being wrong with him, or something he wants.

“He had a job in the laundry, but that ended months ago when he took to his wheelchair.”

The Scottish Prison Service said: “We do not comment on individual prisoners.”

Tobin showed no mercy to his three known murder victims, Vicky Hamilton, 15, Dinah McNicol, 18, and 23-year-old Angelika Kluk.

But he’s spent most of his time since being caged for life whining in a bid to get special privileges.

He’s already allowed to eat his meals in his cell – where Fyffe acts as his waiter – because he’s scared he’ll be attacked if he goes to the canteen.

And in April, the Record told how he had demanded a cushion to make his wheelchair more comfy, even though guards are convinced he is perfectly able to get around without it.

An insider said at the time: “Tobin was greeting and moaning to the nurse in the prison surgery about his wheelchair being uncomfortable. The nurse told him that if he wanted a cushion, he’d have to pay for it himself.

“Tobin wasn’t happy. It makes everyone’s blood boil.”

The killer is waited on hand and foot by hulking thug Fyffe, who has at least 76 convictions, and Marchlewski, who snatched a young woman off the street in Edinburgh and raped her eight times in eight hours.

He has few other friends in Saughton. A source told us: “The other prisoners, even the sex offenders, think he’s a scumbag.

“They think Fyffe and Marchlewski must be as sick as him for helping push him around in his wheelchair.”

Tobin has refused to help police piece together his horrific criminal history.

The special operation to map his crimes, Operation Anagram, was wound down last week after helping to solve the murders of Vicky and Dinah. But police insist their effort to unlock Tobin’s secrets will never end.


This is ridiculous. He should not be getting paid anything. He is a frigging killer!

The families of his victims are not happy about his existence either.

THE father of murdered school girl Vicky Hamilton has hit out at her killer’s demand for sick pay in jail.

Whingeing serial killer Peter Tobin insists he is entitled to more than £560 a year in “wages”.

Sickened Michael Hamilton, whose daughter was raped and murdered by the monster in 1991, branded his pay bid “outrageous”.

He said: “It makes me sick.”

Tobin, 64, will spend the rest of his life in jail for murdering Vicky, 15, Dinah McNicol, 18, and 23-year-old Angelika Kluk.

Michael, 60, said: “He should be entitled to nothing. He never spared a thought for the girls he murdered or their families.

“I’m almost tempted to commit a crime so I can get put inside and deal with him myself.”


I can only imagine the pain all this causes the families.

Laurie Depies Search

Police are searching in south-central Wisconsin for the remains of Laurie Depies in an effort to verify Larry DeWayne Hall’s confession that he abducted and killed the Appleton woman in 1992.

Town of Menasha Police Lt. Mike Krueger told Gannett Wisconsin Media that a team of plainclothes law enforcement authorities have spent three days digging for evidence of Depies — or other potential victims of Hall — at an undisclosed remote location. Authorities are using ground-penetrating radar and specially trained police dogs in the search.

“He told us there were four bodies in that location,” Krueger said last week, declining to specify where the site is or when it was searched. “We haven’t found what we’re looking for. We’re done for now but we’ll be going back again and doing more.”

Depies was 20 when she disappeared Aug. 19, 1992, from a town of Menasha parking lot where she had driven after working at the Fox River Mall. She never made it to her boyfriend’s apartment.

In mid-May, Gannett Wisconsin Media reported that Hall admitted buying a T-shirt from Depies at the Fox River Mall store where she worked and later following, abducting and killing her. Less than two weeks later, Hall told The Associated Press that he “picked up 39 women altogether between 1980 and 1994″ and an undetermined number of them, including Depies, ended up dead.

Gossett said more specific and incriminating evidence is needed before charges could be filed.

“I’m not saying he did or didn’t do it,” he said. “If he did kill her and there’s a way to corroborate it, all is good. If we can’t (corroborate the confession), it makes me a little suspicious that it’s really the right person.”

Gossett, who was informed of Hall’s confession last fall, is hopeful that incriminating evidence will surface.

“Even without a body, he could be prosecuted,” Gossett said.

“But it really comes down to (the fact that) this guy has nothing to lose. He’s saying he did it — now give us the details.

“You don’t want to rack up (Hall’s) personal scorecard if (he) didn’t do it.”

Krueger thinks technology and science, especially DNA analysis, will be key to any cases advancing against Hall, a former bank janitor.

Authorities say Hall has been fastidious about not leaving behind any physical evidence or forensic residues, perhaps due to his fascination with True Detective and other crime magazines and to his familiarity with cleaning supplies and techniques.

“It’s kind of a needle in a haystack kind of thing,” Krueger said of the sizable search area that is concealed from view from any roadway or residence.

The police dogs picked up on the scent of human remains, a scent that can migrate over time. “We were explained to that when a body is buried, when it breaks down and decomposes, the gases will spread through the ground,” Krueger said.

Over the years, the gases or scents can make their way into root systems and into plants or trees.

“We could be a foot away (from a body) and never know it,” Krueger said.

Hall declined to provide specific information about the other three bodies he claims are at the same site.

“He gave us no names (other than Depies’),” Krueger said. “He just said four bodies and one is a boy.”

The boy, Krueger was told, died accidentally when Hall — who claimed he was driving and not paying attention — hit him and panicked, not knowing what to do.

“The boy died. Is that fantasy? I don’t know. He could have made that all up,” Krueger said.

Krueger, however, is undeterred, convinced that Hall is providing investigators with information to the best of his memory about disposing of Depies’ body after killing her — rather than falsely confessing and fabricating stories.

Hall is known to have traveled extensively as a Civil War re-enactor and an old car enthusiast. Authorities said he used only cash and often stayed in his van, leaving behind few clues as to his whereabouts.

He has been in custody since November 1994, when he was arrested in connection with the 1993 abduction of Roach, the Illinois girl whose body was found in an Indiana cornfield several weeks later.

Hall was convicted on a federal kidnapping charge for crossing state lines in the Roach case and sentenced to life in prison.

A byproduct of Hall’s admissions in the Depies case is that Krueger is fielding calls from other police investigators.

“Now I have other police agencies calling with no evidence and people who just vanished,” Krueger said.

“That was a real big plus that we made it aware that some of these other local agencies in states are tuning in on Larry because they had nowhere to go on their investigations.”

Krueger said the 39 abductions that Hall told the AP reporter about was a “big number,” but he recalled that the handwritten list police seized from Hall in 1994 had “17 or 19 names” including one entry that read: “Lori – Fox River Mall.”

In other cases that Hall has been linked to, he told detectives he buried his victims with their clothes and belongings, along with the “means of death” such as ropes or belts, Krueger said.

When pressed by Krueger, Hall couldn’t remember if he buried Depies’ purse with her. The purse has never been found.

“I think he’s holding back on certain things,” Krueger said. “I don’t think he’s given us everything that he can on Laurie.

“At this point, he just doesn’t want to. (I’ve been told) these are his personal pieces of property and he doesn’t want to give them up. These victims are his.”

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That holding back is common with serial killers. It gives them a sense of power, it allows them to keep control and it adds to their fantasies.

Hall is probably also hoping to get to show them where he buried the bodies. It would be exciting for him. He not only gets attention and out of his cell for a while he also gets to go back to the area where he disposed of the bodies. Many serial killers return to where they killed or buried their victims. Sometimes they go there to masturbate and some even take girlfriends there and have sex on top of where the body is.

I am not say Hall did any of that, although I do not doubt it. I am just thinking of reasons for he might have began confessing.

Dr. Drew Interviews Melissa Moore

Melissa Moore is the daughter of Keith Jesperson‘s (The Happy Face Killer) daughter.

In this video Dr. Drew and Melissa make comparisons between Casey Anthony and Keith.

I don’t know how to actually put the video up here so here is the link.

Dr. Drew interviews Melissa Moore.

Melissa also wrote a book, Shattered Silence.

Here is another interview with Melissa.

Killer Had Told Friends What He Did.

Temer Leary couldn’t believe his eyes.

He watched an episode of the television news show “48 Hours” last month, and there on the show was his former roommate, accused of being a serial killer in California.

Leary, a Lake Luzerne resident, thought back to the stories his roommate used to tell of killing people and how Leary and his buddy, former Glens Falls resident Anthony Dilorenzo, used to laugh them off.

Having learned that his former roommate, Michael Gargiulo, had been charged with killing two women in Los Angeles, attempting to kill a third and was a suspect in a killing in Illinois, Leary realized the tales Gargiulo told weren’t exaggerated.

“I said to myself, ‘I’ve got to tell somebody what I know,’” he said.

He left a comment on the television station’s website about the case and what Gargiulo had told him and, hours later, was contacted by detectives in Cook County, Ill.

The next day, he and Dilorenzo were on airplanes to Chicago to tell detectives what they knew about their former roommate and co-worker and the comments he had made about a young woman’s killing in Illinois.

It turned out the stories Leary dismissed as tall tales appeared to be based in fact.

“We never believed him,” Leary said Thursday. “But it turned out the things he told us were true. The detectives couldn’t believe how much we knew.”

Leary and Dilorenzo met Gargiulo in the mid-1990s, when the two Glens Falls men moved to California. Dilorenzo sought a life in Hollywood, and Leary tagged along. They got jobs as bouncers at the famous Rainbow Room bar in Hollywood, where Gargiulo was also a bouncer.

They had a common hobby. Gargiulo wanted to be a boxer, and Leary’s grandfather had operated a boxing gym in Glens Falls.

The three wound up as roommates.

One day, as the trio drove in a car, Gargiulo told of killing a young woman, Leary said.

Leary said detectives and prosecutors in Illinois asked him not to share details about what Gargiulo told him about the 1993 stabbing death of Tricia Pacaccio. Gargiulo and Pacaccio, then 18, were neighbors, and Gargiulo was long a suspect in the case, according to published reports.

The investigation had intensified in recent months, as detectives learned that Gargiulo’s DNA was found under Pacaccio’s fingernails. Gargiulo was later charged with murder and attempted murder in the stabbings of three women. He was dubbed “The Hollywood Ripper” by local media.

Then Leary came forward with evidence in a fourth case. His status as a witness was chronicled, earlier this month, in Chicago magazine, which has been closely following the Pacaccio murder investigation.

Leary said he testified before a grand jury, but no charges had been filed against Gargiulo as of Friday. A spokeswoman for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office said she could not discuss the case Thursday because no one has been charged, while Cook County police did not return a call.

Dilorenzo couldn’t be reached this week. Leary said he is travelling out of the country.

Leary’s lawyers, the firm of Brennan & White, worked with police for his testimony. The firm confirmed its involvement in the matter but would not comment.

Warren County District Attorney Kate Hogan confirmed her office was involved in the matter as well but said she could not discuss it Friday.


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If only his buddies would have believed him.

Many times you read about people looking back over conversations, mood changes and other small things and they realize that the other person was killing at that time.

If bodies are showing up around town and your bud tells you he did it or has just started acting a bit off call the cops.



Mixed Bag Of Killers

WALNUT CREEK, Calif. — Police have found the remains of a Walnut Creek woman who was kidnapped, raped and murdered by the serial killer known as the I-5 Strangler in 1977.

Walnut Creek police said Monday that a Napa County sheriff’s deputy found the body of 21-year-old Ellen Burleigh in a dry riverbed near Lake Berryessa.

Roger Reece Kibbe was convicted of murder of Burleigh and five other women in 2009. As part of a plea agreement, he agreed to help locate her body.

The Contra Costa Times reports Burleigh disappeared after meeting Kibbe to talk about a secretary job opening.

Kibbe was in prison for strangling a teen prostitute when San Joaquin County prosecutors charged him in 2009 with murdering six women and dropping their bodies along freeways between 1977 and 1987.
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I hope that finding her body gives the family and friends some peace.

France police are on high alert since it is rumored that suspected serial killer / known rapist Larry Murphy is going to try hiding out there since hiding out in other places around Europe did not work.

SUSPECTED serial killer Larry Murphy has fled Ireland again after spending three weeks holed up in Dublin hotels.

Authorities here breathed a sigh of relief today after the rapist left the jurisdiction without incident.

But police in France are now on high alert after it was reported that Murphy (46) had decided to relocate to Paris for the moment.

Since being freed from jail last year he has moved around Europe staying in both Amsterdam and Spain for extended periods.

He is reportedly staying in the ‘red light districts’ and trying to avoid contact with people. I can not imagine why unless he is slightly afraid that someone might kill him.

Murphy remains the chief suspect for the disappearance of several Irish women in the 1990s.

He has been linked to the cases of Annie McCarrick (26), Jo Jo Dullard (21) and Deirdre Jacob (18) all of whom went missing without trace.

He has served 10 years in prison for the horrific rape and attempted murder of a Carlow businesswoman, but was released last August.

He did not undergo any significant rehabilitation treatment while behind bars and detectives feared that he may strike again.

Source for both quotes.

A video from when he was released.

Joseph Nasso’s preliminary hearing has been postponed until Sept. 9, 2011 so that he has more time to prepare his case.

Nasso is the 77 year old who is defending himself against charges that he killed  four women: Roxene Roggasch, 18, dumped between Fairfax and Woodacre in 1977; Carmen Colon, 22, found near Port Costa in 1978; Pamela Parsons, 38, found in Yuba County in 1993; and, Tracy Tafoya, 31, found in Yuba County in 1994.


A video about Nasso

In Germany a man being called only Jan O or the Cannibal Killer has been sentenced to life imprisonment.

(CBS/AP) BERLIN – German man Jan O., dubbed the “cannibal killer” after he confessed to eating the flesh and drinking the blood of one of his teenage victims, has been convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison.

The 26-year-old, whose last name has been withheld in accordance with German privacy laws, was convicted in Goettingen state court of two counts of murder Monday for the November slayings of a 14-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy.

During the trial the defendant confessed to licking blood from a wound of the girl and biting flesh from her neck. He killed the boy five days later.

DAPD news agency reports Presiding Judge Ralf Guenther says the murders showed an “almost unimaginable dimension of criminality.”

According to Sky News , Jan O. had lured a victim identified only as “Nina B.” into the woods intending to rape her, but instead cut her throat. He returned to visit the body several times, and during one return visit, took the life of his second victim, named “Tobias L.”

The boy was allegedly sexually assaulted before being stabbed to death.

Jan O. admitted to committing “vampiristic” acts both before and after they died, Sky News  reports, adding that the perpetrator apologized to the victim’s families and said: “I don’t know what came over me.”

Defense attorney Markus Fischer says he’s considering an appeal.

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How can there be an appeal when Jan O confessed to drinking blood and apologized the way that he did? Appeal What?

Another article has even more disturbing information.

Nina had gone missing in mid-November 2010 after she ran away from home. According to O.’s confession, he lured the young girl into the woods with the intend to rape her. But he instead hit her on the head with a beer bottle before slashing her throat.

As the girl died, according to the confession, O. ate flesh from her wounds and drank her blood. “I did not want sex anymore, just flesh and blood. The taste of it made me addicted,” O. wrote in his confession, details of which shocked the European nation.

In the days after the brutal murder, O. returned to the body several times and repeatedly took advantage of her. He also filmed several clips with his mobile phone as he touched the lifeless body.

In addition, a message was found on O.’s Facebook page in which he said: “Slaughtered a girl yesterday. One everyday until they catch me.” O.’s other online profiles indicated he was looking to meet girls between the ages of 10 and 16.”

In the days after Nina’s murder, during one of his visits to the corpse, O. came across Tobias who he mistook for a young girl. He kidnapped him and stabbed him to death when he discovered that Tobias was a boy, not a girl. Although there is evidence to indicate that Tobias was still sexually assaulted, O. denied this and said he rejects homosexual acts.


That article also goes on to state that even though he was given a life sentence he could be released one day if he is no longer considered a threat. That is insane.


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